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Howard Marks's Memo - 2 Jan 2000 - bubble.com

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닷컴 버블 시기(2000년) Howard Marks의 메모 'bubble.com'을 소개하는 교육 콘텐츠. 뉴턴의 남해거품 사례로 투기 심리를 설명하고, 고평가 인터넷 기업의 수익성·경쟁·밸류에이션 문제를 짚음. 벤처캐피털 수익의 중앙값이 헤드라인보다 낮고, IPO 중심 기업 설립의 위험을 경고. 종목·시장에 대한 향후 가격 방향 예측 발언은 없음.

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01. [ bubble.com written on the 2001 all right let's Jump Right In today we're taking a trip back in time to the year 2000 the peak of the dotcom boom remember those days everyone was talking about the internet changing the world fortunes are being made seemingly overnight and you know what they were right the internet did change everything but as we'll see not everyone who jumped on that bandwagon struck gold our guide for this journey back in time is an insightful Memo from the legendary investor Howard marks it's called appropriately enough bubble.com and even though he wrote it WR smack in the middle of thatc frenzy marks words off offer some Timeless lessons about Market psychology and uh you know the dangers of getting caught up in the hype yeah bubble.com is uh it's really a fascinating read even now it's remarkable how relevant his insights into investor Behavior are even decades later we'll be exploring those insights today to see what lessons we can learn and apply to our own investment decisions okay so Mark starts off with this incredible story about Sir Isaac Newton and the south sea bubble of 1720 you've got to hear this the guy who figured out gravity got swept up in a speculative frenzy lost a ton of money and then famously said I can calculate the Motions of the heavenly bodies but not the madness of people if Newton could get caught in a bubble what hope do the rest of us have right you know it's a powerful reminder that even the most Brilliant Minds can fall prey to the Allure of easy money and the fear of missing out and that's exactly what Marx is getting at you see these speculative Manas they're driven by these Timeless human emotions that transcend any particular era or industry so true he even includes some quotes from that era that sound eerily similar to what people were saying during the doom boom like yeah private vices producing public benefits which is basically greed driving the market or that you just need to find a greater fool to buy your overpriced stock it's like as Mark Twain would say history was rhyming exactly and what's really interesting is how Marx connects these repeating patterns of behavior to those doc companies he recognized the potential of the internet to revolutionize things but he was skeptical about about the Skyhigh valuations of a lot of those tech companies and whether those valuations were actually tied to any real sustainable profits you know he asks a question that every investor should really consider will all this Innovation actually translate into a profitable business yeah it's not enough to just have a great idea you need a solid business model to actually turn that idea into profits and for a lot of dotom companies that was a big question mark exactly and that's where Marx really digs deep highlighting some specific challenges those companies faced when it came to making money especially in a world where so much of the internet was free people were assuming that the internet would eliminate the need for things like you know advertising or physical inventory but was that really realistic in the long run well markx uses this uh this series of jokes his dad used to tell to really illustrate the flawed logic behind some of those assumptions you know things like we lose money on every sale but we'll make it up in volume it's funny but it also points out a basic truth right profits can't be ignored no matter how Innovative or how disruptive an industry might seem you got it and it's not just about making any profit it's about generating sustainable profits he gives the example of web van the online grocery delivery company that went under they were trying to revolutionize the grocery shopping experience but they ran into problems like those small order sizes and the really high costs of delivery it really highlights the gap between all the hype and the reality and how important it is to really think critically about how practical a business model actually is it's a good reminder that even the most promising ideas have to be tested against the realities of the market so what makes a business model truly sustainable especially in such a fast-paced environment like the internet well you have to consider the competition the internet with its low barriers to entry and the ability to scale up quickly it can be an incredibly competitive landscape Marx points out that even theom companies themselves were going to face Fierce competition which would make it even tougher to achieve that sustainable profitability think about it right minimal product differentiation everyone's focused on keeping prices super low new competitors popping up all the time how do you build a lasting competitive advantage in an environment like that right it's not enough to just be the first one there you need to build some kind of protection around your business some kind of moat to protect yourself from that wave of competition and sometimes those Moes are harder to build Than People initially think I mean even Amazon a doc darling that ultimately did become successful even they had to change their strategies over time precisely and that leads us to another critical piece valuation Marx was really astonished by the astronomical price to earnings ratios of companies like you know Yahoo and AOL to give you an idea he points out that for the combined price of AOL and Microsoft back then you could have bought a whole bunch of well-established companies with much higher sales and earnings it makes you really wonder what kind of expectations were baked into those Tech stock prices it's like people were betting that those companies would become 10 or 20 times bigger than they already were right exactly and that's where this whole bubble idea really comes in Marx is essentially saying that even if you truly believe in the long-term potential of these companies the prices that people are paying for their stocks were simply unsustainable he Compares it to a lottery ticket mentality where investors are so fixated on the potential for those huge gains that they're completely overlooking those traditional valuation metrics and that high probability failure and that fear of missing out it's a powerful force you know especially when you see everyone around you getting rich Okay so we've talked about the difficulties of achieving profitability and the importance of thinking about competition and valuation but are there ever times when these ideas don't apply that's a great question of course there are always exceptions exactly there's no one size fits-all approach when it comes to investing you have to be able to assess each situation on its own and make informed decisions based on your research and your own risk tolerance and it's crucial to understand the philosophical foundations here too what do you mean by that what are the deeper philosophical Foundations at play well Marx is highlighting this tension between two opposing forces You've Got The Power of human Ingenuity and Innovation right represented by these incredible new technologies and then you've got the limitations of human psychology which can lead us to make irrational decisions like paying too much for assets or getting caught up in these speculative frenzies understanding this tension is key to making smart investment decisions so how can investors navigate that tension and avoid falling into that trap of those speculative bubbles that's exactly what we'll explore as we dig deeper into Marx's memo he offers so many insights into Market psychology and investor behavior that are just as relevant today as they were back then I can't wait to unpack those insights and see what practical takeaways we can glean from them me too it's going to be a great discussion definitely let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with more from Howard marsand bubble.com sounds good so you know picking up where we left off Marx goes on to talk about the Venture Capital World they were pouring money into dot startups like at an unprecedented rate he does recognize the incredible returns that some of those VC funds were generating but he also raises some red flags about how sustainable those returns actually were so he's not saying that venture capital is a bad investment mhm but he's definitely urging some caution and a little of realism exactly he points out that even during the Boom the median returns for Venture Capital funds they were much less impressive than those headline grabbing outliers you always heard about and you got to remember venture capital is inherently risky you're betting on these early stage companies with business models that haven't really been proven yet yeah it's kind of like trying to pick the winning lottery ticket before the numbers are even drawn right exactly andk marks also brings up the challenge of timing the market those best opportunities they often come up when sentiment is low and capital is scarce not when everyone's chasing the same hot Trend so it's about having the discipline to kind of Zig when everyone else is zagging you got it and that contrarian mindset it applies to other areas of the market too like especially IPOs back in the dotc era IPOs were almost guaranteed to make money getting in on a hot IPO is like winning a Golden Ticket wow it seems like a completely different world from the IPO Market we see today it was a wild time but markx raises some really important questions about the due diligence that was being done on those IPOs and if those post IPO start prices could really hold up you had companies going public with these crazy valuations often with little to no history of actual profitability it's almost like buying a house based only on those fancy brochures without even bothering to get an inspection that's a great analogy and marks even observed that it seemed like some companies were being formed with the IPO as the ultimate goal not actually building a real company it was all about cashing in not creating a lasting business M so was it really about Innovation then or was it just about making a quick butt that's a good question to think about isn't it absolutely it speaks to those deeper motivations driving the whole doc bubble was it purely about creating these world changing companies or was it fueled at least partially by greed and that a lore of Wall Street speculation that's a really interesting point and it makes me wonder are there ever situations where aiming for an IPO as like the primary goal is actually a good strategy well an IPO can be a great way for a company to raise capital and get more visibility but it shouldn't be the only thing they're focused on a company should be focused on building a strong Foundation developing Innovative products and services creating real value for their customers the IPO should be like a result of success not the goal in itself so it's about having the right priorities building a solid business first and then letting the IP happen naturally from that success exactly and that aligns with this idea that True Value creation should be at the heart of any business venture it's not just about playing the market it's about contributing something meaningful to the world that's a powerful perspective Okay so we've talked about venture capital and IPOs but it's important to remember that Marx isn't saying that all tech companies were destined to fail he recognized that technology has the power to change the world and that some companies would come out on top right he's arguing for a balanced and thoughtful approach to investing it's not about avoiding Tech altogether it's about understanding the risks doing your homework and not getting caught up in the frenzy so how do you determine what these companies are actually worth then especially when those traditional valuation metrics like price to earnings ratios don't seem to apply that's a tough question and investors are still wrestling with it today especially when you're dealing with these disruptive companies that might not be making money yet but have have huge potential for growth Marx doesn't give a simple answer but He suggests that you got to look beyond all the hype and focus on those fundamental things like a company's competitive advantages their ability to generate cash flow the quality of their management team and how big and sustainable their target market is so you're basically looking for companies that are built to last not just riding the wave of a trend exactly and remember just because something seems overpriced doesn't mean it's going to crash right away prices can stay irrational for a long long time sometimes things can even get more overpriced so you're saying that even if you spot a bubble trying to time the market is risky it is Marx warns that even professional investors they can get caught on the wrong side of a bubble the market can be unpredictable and sentiment can drive prices Way Beyond what makes sense okay so let's bring it back to Marx's core message what are the key takeaways for investors who want to avoid getting burned in the next bubble well he reminds us that eventually valuation has to matter no matter how revolutionary the technology is or how compelling the story is at some point the price you pay for an asset that's what's going to determine your return and if that price is too high even the best company in the world can be a bad investment so even in those really exciting and Innovative Industries valuation always matters got it and billing on that markx emphasizes how important value investing is you know buying assets for less than their worth that principle holds true no matter what the industry is or what the Market's doing it's about finding those undervalued opportunities even if they're not popular at the moment so don't be afraid to go against the Green and think for yourself exactly and remember what Barton big said he was a respected Market Observer at the time he said the dot craze was one of the greatest if not the greatest Manas of all time he predicted it would end badly and sadly he was right it's a sobering reminder that no bubble lasts forever so what are some of those psychological traps that can lead investors to make bad decisions during these times of you know Market Mania Marx goes into some of the psychological factors that drive these speculative bubbles like the fear of missing out the pressure to conform the tendency to believe all the hype these are all deeply human emotions and they can Cloud our judgment and lead us to make impulsive decisions okay so it's not just about understanding the numbers it's about understanding ourselves our own biases and how those biases can influence we behave exactly and this leads us to one of the most important questions that markx asks what is it that drives these speculative Manas is it just greed or are there other things at play too that's a really interesting question and it has implications that go Way Beyond the financial markets I think absolutely it gets into our understanding of human nature why we're susceptible to irrationality and those Collective delusions that can grip a whole society it's almost like we're programmed to chase those shiny objects those promises of easy rich riches even when logic and history tell us to be careful it's a powerful force and Marx's memo gives us a way to understand these forces so we can make more rational decisions so it's not just investment advice really it's helping us understand ourselves better I think so yeah it really does seem like humans are always struggling with that tension between our incredible ability to innovate and our tendency to be irrational it's fascinating isn't it and Mark's memo really gets to the core of that he helps us how those psychological factors can really Drive Market behavior and sometimes lead to those speculative bubbles that eventually burst so as we wrap up our Deep dive into bubble.com what are some key insights investors can take away from this you know things that can help them avoid those pitfalls in the future one of the biggest takeaways for me is Marx's emphasis on recognizing our own biases we all have them whether it's that fear of missing out or the tendency to follow the crowd or even just that belief that this time it's going to be different so being aware of those psychological traps that can lead us to make those irrational decisions exactly and once you recognize those biases you can start to develop strategies to deal with them Marx encourages investors to really think independently do your own research and be skeptical of any advice that sounds too good to be true so don't just blindly follow the hype do your homework and really think critically about the information that you're getting exactly another key takeaway is to focus on the long term markets move in Cycles you know and there will always be periods of growth and decline it's easy to get caught up in those short-term swings but the best investors are the ones who can maintain that long-term perspective and write out those inevitable downturns so having the patience and discipline to stick with your investment plan even when the market is making you nervous exactly and remember diversification is crucial spread your Investments across different asset classes and industries it helps reduce your exposure to any one particular risk don't put all your eggs in one basket you're right that's the idea and finally I think it's a good idea to find a trusted adviser someone who understands your investment philosophy and can help you navigate all the complexities of the market yeah it's always helpful to have someone to bounce ideas off of someone who can give you objective advice and help you stay focused exactly and you know I think that's one of the things that makes marks bubble.com memo so valuable it's not just about avoiding the mistakes of the past it's about developing a sound investment philosophy that can guide you through all the ups and downs of the market so it's a reminder that even though markets can be irrational in the short term over the long term value and fundamentals will win out that's it and I think marks would agree that while the Doom bubble was a unique event the lessons we can learn from it are Timeless they apply to everyone well that wraps up our Deep dive into Howard marks bubble.com memo a great reminder that even in the most exciting and transformative times times it's important to stay cool-headed and remember those fundamental principles of good investing it can help you avoid getting swept away by the tide thanks for joining us for another Deep dive it was a pleasure being here until next time happy investing

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