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so in a shocking move AR invest actually bought more Tesla stock this time for $27 million and likely more buying to come Arc has been selling Tesla over the last year so why are they now done an about face and loading up let's explore some of those reasons we got Larry Goldberg here with us and he's a multi- entrepreneur and he's been following Ark invest as many of us have been for the last year uh what did you think when you first heard that news Larry not surprised um you know Arc trades Arc you know it's a fund but it's also an ETF fund but it's also Trader and so they tend to trade and they've done pretty well out of their trading on Tesla stock now as much as I'm a fan um of Kathy woods and as much as I'm a fan of that organization and its researchers who are second to none and who share openly their research which is quite amazing um I also you know am puzzled by some of the Investments and some of their timing uh but you know very successful firm I think that uh they missed an opportunity to load up on Tesla stock you know right at the bottom um I think they're probably buying now uh in preparation for the new year um the new year really promises some very signif moves by Tesla um with the realization of the Cyber truck uh you know conversion of the Halo into really fairly significant sales um the announcement of the model to and I think or next gen so I think I think uh Kathy Wood and the team really realized that the moment has come or the moment is going to come during the course of the coming year or so so that's what I think is happening right now let me report that news Alexander Merz Tesla Boomer mama she really does follow Arc quite a bit in fact she reports on it every single I think once a week um or certainly every day so she says that Arc bought more than uh more Tesla for $27 million Arc has several different funds the ark KK ark1 they bought it for 23 million uh so they used to be at 7.33% Tesla uh as part of their portfolio now it's 7.5% it's could move from number three to number two position in the arkk fund in the arkw they bought 4 million worth so now instead of 4.56 it's now 4.75% and it's still five number five position in that fund and um yeah they have been as high as 11% I think they try and maintain no higher than 10% but they've been at that 10 and over Mark in the past that's right and that's part of their their problem yeah so their issue is um Alexander did a full expose on them one time their issues that they have this rule of 10% and then the problem is that they have all these other smaller stocks as well and so when the smaller stocks when they do well they have to sell when Tesla does well they have to sell Tesla so they always have to sell Tesla no matter what's happening and that's like this weird dynamic iic so um so she had this point here and then uh she oops sorry so her thoughts were so why are they doing this and are they going to buy more Larry so they say here that usually the dollar cost average into a position so this could be the first day of many maybe this what they're doing just kind of starting this now and then it is the end of the year so Alexander was May saying maybe they're just cleaning up the portfolio for the year end there's six trading days left and then the other thing that's interesting is Kathy Wood has announced that she's going to do at X space with Elon so she is going to be able to interview Elon maybe there's something more to do with that what's your guesses of what might be happening here well you know where I part company uh with um Arc invest is on you know they are very they have a high um confidence in cyber I don't um I'm a I'm too old for a cyber and uh I disagree with some of their positions and cyber I just hope that um you know that they're not going to talk with Elon about cyber I hope they're going to focus on Tesla on AI and on X or XI cyber I thought you were referring to what are you referring to about cyber uh I'm sorry did I say cyber I I mean you know the so-call modern currency oh crypto yeah I'm talking about yeah I I'm talking about crypto so they have a focus on crypto I just yeah you know I part company with them on this modern currency yeah and the need not not necessarily the need for crypto but you know I have a a great respect for um Bitcoin but I find most of the other most of the other coins all the other coins including ether uh I I don't have much confidence in them and the problem with Bitcoin is you know security and the problem of the wallet and the problem of maintaining it so I I I don't have a lot of confidence in that and I just hope we don't spend a lot of time with Elon on that subject in the interview right right it looks like that she sent out an exp post saying hey I'm going to interview Elon what questions you want to do we're going to talk about space uh we're going to I think they're going to talk about um uh X and of course and AI yeah so AI for sure she's going to talk about robotaxi that's the the big research and they bet that's where their big bet is what's interesting about uh about aranas is they the vast you know their vast uh thesis for Tesla and they're one of the biggest Bulls is on robotaxi um and of course it hasn't come to fruition but they haven't yet added bot uh or AI so I'm wondering if that's why they're buying now is they're realizing that Tesla is an AI company and that is one of the major topics they're going to talk about yeah I think we're going to see a lot of their um end of year a lot of their research for next year coming out early next year and I think you'll see in that research a focus on xai um a focus on dojo um certainly in following them in following their analy as I do and listening some of them and reading some of their material and listening to some of their podcasts I think they're very high on all of those three subjects um and so I think that you're going to see a lot more conversation and mention about um Tesla uh in in that conversation and um hopefully we'll see um something about xai and X sorry xai and Tesla emerge because I'm hoping that there's some exchange of shares between those two companies in the coming year I'm I'm a big believer and hopeful for that as well that uh Tesla investors should get a piece of xai shares as well and then certainly we're going to see grock uh embedded in the cars it's going to be embedded in the um the Bots did you see this uh the was a job description in the career page of Tesla and then there was a line about Dojo as a service they didn't exactly say Dojo service but you know we need to build apis Global apis that's going to bring Dojo to the masses um but you know Elon did say in the last uh shareholder call sorry uh um earnings call he did mention Dojo as a server so there's no doubt in my mind that that's on their mind but we're a year away from any like that the business side maybe more than a year away so this is great Kathy Wood buying more Tesla you know it's a small little thing it's not a huge purchase but it's just a little bit of a reversal from what they've done for last year uh you were you also said something about how Arin vest is not just an investor they also trade tell me more about that they do they do and they've made quite a lot of money in the past trading they will sell when they think Tesla's a little bit beyond the number that they think it the market is going to be comfortable with and they will buy it back when that number is below what they think is you know the current market assessment they so they TR they completely called Nvidia wrong right just completely sold it just before should it and I you know I think we can be I think it's fair to be critical of some of their buyers I don't understand their investment for example doc sign I was very uncomfortable with that investment their investment in Zoom I was I like the product I like the company but yeah way overvalued and I think their valuation of it was you know way over their ski so you know I mean you can't win them all I do say this that I have very very high respect for their work in you know in in the U biotech and I'm I'm invested in their biotech fund because I don't understand that field at all and I feel they have a grasp on it I think it has real potential to realize you know unrealized value so I'm excited about that and um I do like their valuation model of Tesla a lot of people criticize the Monte Carlo method I think the Monte Carlo method is one of the one of the best tools to um do evaluation of a company um it's it's severely misunderstood people actually take you know the extreme cases at the TA at the end of each tale and they take that line item and say look how ridiculous you know this number is well of course it's ridiculous that's what probabilities do at at the long end of the tale so I I have a lot of respect for them and their research is fantastic their research on AI I mean it's really really topof the line best in the market by far okay well so they've called it wrong right unfortunately so if you had invested in their stock um five 10 years ago you'd be underwater today but you know their their their thesis is disruptive Innovations and so there's going to be you know losses and then maybe if one hits it's going to be massive and so it for us Tesla investors we shake our heads like why would you sell Tesla of course it's been flat it's been done but if they start buying now um then maybe they can redeem themselves when Tesla eventually skyrockets back up again if they didn't have the 10% limit on their fund they'd be in very very good position right now like like Ron Baron that's exactly what Ron Baron did he he went back to his shareholders apparently I'm invested in his Founders fund I think that it's the best Fund in the market right now no questions about it I I love that fund and I love him as an investor so folks who are interested I actually did an interview with Alexander Merz and she reviewed the um the who are the Tes the big whale institutional investors who are investing in Tesla Ron Baron aranas and others and you can learn more about that this is great you should bring Ron Baron on you should bring Ron Ron Baron on that would be a really good conversation I would love to do that yes I've I've been able to get Arin vest Kathy Wood not Kathy Wood but um Tasha Keeny and I've had almost anybody who appears in CNBC they've they've now appeared on this show too so it's starting to happen and they're scheduled a few more well I I'll petition Ron to come on your show if you can please yeah Larry you are amazing and so I'm very very fortunate we all are to have you be able to share your knowledge once a week so thank you for doing that again uh follow Larry on X at Tesla Larry
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