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Kevin이 애리조나 길버트·챈들러 등 지역을 답사하며 부동산 투자 입지를 탐색하는 영상. 1990년 이후 신축·단열 중시, 길버트 다운타운 인근(1950~70년대 주택)은 에어비앤비 수요가 좋다고 설명. 가족 친화적 커뮤니티일수록 임차인 장기 거주가 많다고 봄. 부동산 시장은 2008년 이후와 유사한 하락 조정 중이나 2008년처럼 3분의 1 수준으로 떨어지진 않을 것이라 봄. 장기 임대 수익률(cash-on-cash)은 양호하다고 평가. 애리조나 기후·자연재해 위험이 낮다는 점도 언급.
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this video you're going to see a plane that I have personally paid for to make sure I can be as educated as possible for my real estate startup if you want to fly with me as we look at real estate you Shadow me for a day click the first link in the description down below and you could join me as we tour America to find the best areas to invest in this video you're going to see what it's like when meet Kevin goes to a new area he's never been to before for looking at real estate and you're going to find out what questions he asks and what he looks for when he looks at an area for the first time hey everyone it's me Kevin yeah seriously this is the first time I'm going to this area I don't know everything I don't profess to try to get everything done in one trip my belief is I have to visit the same area probably 20 to 30 times before I would ever even feel comfortable pulling the trigger on a property and I'll be doing that in the top areas that I choose but this video is day one of hunting for the areas to narrow down do I even want to remotely consider this area or are we ruling it out we're going to be visiting potentially 100 to 200 different cities we're going to narrow that list down to maybe about 20 and then we'll double and triple visit those so we can narrow that list down and ultimately get to three or four markets that we are going to start expanding house hack into which i let's get started something to keep in mind out here is obviously it gets hotter in the deserts so if you look at 1950s homes in Ventura California let's say there's no insulation in the walls on a lot of these homes out here which isn't a big deal out there because you know weather is not really that much of an issue out here where you've got a lot of dry heat you're not going to want to air condition the inside of a home to you know 70 72 degrees and if you even go that low if the ACs will pull them that low we'll probably replace them off them you don't want to go that low low and then not have insulation in the walls so you probably want to focus on newer here 90s plus well insulated the newer the homes get the more insulated they are people always say like come on they don't build them like they used to you're right they build them way better now that's not always the case don't get me wrong your Corners cut all the time but the bare minimum standards are so much higher today than what they used to be so insulation for a dry hot climate important also you go to Texas you get like a really moist area you got to be really cautious about those uh those those uh cool to hot areas because then you create fungus growth another big problem a lot of these things you don't have to deal with in SoCal because the outside is the same temperature as the inside for 90 of the year it's great how what's the expectation for tenants and and uh like you know homeowners out here I mean if if we're going for that family friendly tenant are they okay with this size or is this going to be reflected in the rent no so in fact one of the things that I've noticed is that it doesn't really have a huge price drop when it comes to the monthly rental you don't see much of a difference in if they have a larger yard or maybe tenant longevity correct so I actually own a rental like three miles away from okay do you do management as well um I don't do management sure that's all right for my own rentals I do you do your own yeah so with the lot size it doesn't make a difference a lot of times like people that are going to be renting this type of property anyway yeah they don't want to deal with a huge lot yeah because you also have the weather out here right exactly okay okay you got to change the grass twice a year and do people do that they just resawed they resaw it so they'll it's a winner okay one for the summer if you want to keep real grass are you serious no way oh wow and do you just like Let It Die in the summer or is it just a different variety yeah I come into a lot of the landlords if you buy a rental is turn it into like turf turf um gravel yeah yeah okay oh yeah it's not worth it but so homeowners who want real grass they have two different grasses absolutely rent you set on this one 19 to 22 was sort of the range correct I get for this square footage three bedroom two bath okay uh who's what's your typical like occupation out here what do people do it so a lot of tech is actually coming here really kind of interesting so carvana has their place in Tempe well they'll be bankrupt soon it's interesting because you don't think of Arizona Tech um but out in East Mesa area East Mesa is that close to the airport then no and so you're gonna head this way okay and East Mesa is also another booming area and one of the benefits to them is like apple just signed a huge contract oh wow in East Mesa in East Mesa okay and um the contractors with the company that actually does all their screens on their phones oh wow so uh like a glass manufacturer or whatever oh interesting and so they have some kind of facility out in East Mesa is that more than like warehouses and Industrial maybe correct so you'll see that but the warehouses are newer within the last couple of years oh nice so they're not like from like the 60s or 70s they're actually newer built it seems like you're the older properties here when you do have them they were designed to be on their own like 40 acres or something like that huh correct okay okay so then um one of the first assumptions I had when I came here was that you'd probably for rentals want to stick with like 90s plus just for insulation and things like I mean what's your take on that you you could I think some of the things that you'll see though is like just like with any area the older homes from like the 60s 70s and 80s they've been outdated in that they've been updated but they're also in better locations oh interesting closer to the highways so one of the things in Vegas I found was that uh families seem to like move to the next new hot neighborhood uh every few does that happen here too where people actually still staying in the older neighborhoods well it's a combination of both but the Hot Topic right now is Gilbert specifically downtown Gilbert okay so they put Millions into the downtown area okay and right next to the downtown area are all the homes from the 50s 60s and 70s ah so you want to be close to downtown you got to have a remodel 50s yeah oh interesting The Farmhouse look all that fun stuff is in downtown Gilbert the ranch Styles the ones that do really well down downtown Gilbert are the airbnbs okay the ones close to downtown yeah they're interesting distance and those like really do those do well it does is uh Gilbert pretty good about those they license them I imagine they are one of the things here just like with any is like when you're starting to get into the HOA neighborhoods yeah some of them have the restrictions the overlays exactly got it okay uh and so if you were gonna do Airbnb you want to be closer to downtown for Gilbert at least is the same is that also true of Chandler how does that compare yeah so Chandler is like the brother of Gilbert okay they've also put millions in their downtown area okay and so it's like so Gilbert actually started it and then Chandler's like oh wait a second what's going on we got to compete yeah and they're just like oh that's funny I started pumping uh money in and then parking garages all that so uh Chandler uh are we seeing anything close to downtown in Chandler um yes so we are seeing a couple uh towards the Chandler so we'll see an idea of that okay okay cool so uh this would be more of your typical maybe they work at either the warehouses or the offices and then you know family with a kid or whatever and or a or a oh my gosh yeah so what are the occupancy limits yeah like count what is it two for family room two for living room with accounts that's fine so uh okay what um what about I mean commute do you ever get people that want to sell the homes here because they're like oh I'm too far from my work or do you not really see that um Saturday though yeah no I don't see that at Khan okay because a lot of people um I think one of the big things that's happened in the last few years with Gilbert and Chandler specifically is the infrastructure of a lot of the large companies coming here but then you also have a lot more shopping yeah so for example like if you lived in Gilbert at one point you had to travel to Chandler to get to the Costco's and stuff like that I see Gilbert's taking care of all that okay got it okay great well let's take a look awesome thank you so uh do you guys have termite issues out here because I see you have the aluminum patio cover and oftentimes we see wood uh they also look like they or that doesn't even look like it's part of this HOA this looks so different they've re-succoed this one oh that's interesting and they've also done the when were these built 90s yep okay so they did some new retrofit Windows though for example if you we go further away from downtown do you see sort of the pricing drop off as you or no that's the interesting thing is icing you don't just because what what's happened is that they've redone a couple of the big ticket highways here okay it's they're called the 202 and the 101 202 101.
okay and the 202 for the longest time would cut off to a certain point when you're heading east okay and they've actually created that highway to extend and it actually Loops you into the City of Phoenix oh wow so now you can take that Highway and that's all the way around here somewhere yeah so you'll see the South 202 a few miles away and then um that uh has been a big deal because then it's allowed people from East Mesa Gilbert Chandler you have termite issues out here absolutely yep so if you don't just dry Woods yeah exactly okay none like a dampwood wetwood none of that stuff just dry okay oh yeah pest control with tenants how does that work s yeah would be one of those things where I have mine treated like every other month I have a service come out okay your rental or your house okay uh and then how much of a requirement of pools out here well you'd get you're a couple hundred dollars more per month 15 of people have pools where we are yeah if here is probably gonna be 50 Maybe 60 60 okay that's another thing you have to kind of balance out is the liability part of it too yeah just lower the deductible ideally want to time the bulk of our buys towards probably this summer towards the end of the year because that's when we think you know we kind of see the market still doing this right even months now yeah yeah exactly yeah how has that been for you guys like what are you guys noticing so I had to work through 0809 okay so you felt similar yeah if you've gone through that that's like our depression so yeah one of the things is the the decline is still happening yeah but here's the thing that won't happen I don't think it's going to go to the pricing like it was a third of the price in the late 809.
oh yeah it's just like we were over inflated for the past two years because of low interest rates I think it's correcting itself right the hard part to predict is when do we hit bottom right right right so um I think there's ways to go yeah because I it took a couple of years to get here yeah I think it's going to take a couple of years to really good point well even in in 0908 gosh the market I think peaked at least in our area around 06 and it really didn't bottom until 11.
yeah I mean and and for us we're looking at that as like boy if it we wouldn't mind a five-year process where we could buy I mean we would just keep buying you know this is a great place yes Mr Jack oh because a dining table would usually go there but right now it's designed so you hit your head oh I love it the carpet in the bathroom got to get rid of it but it's so perfect because you get home buyers who come in here they're like oh the room is so dark yeah because the paint is dark red oh there's carp in the bathroom replace it I love it yeah but don't waste water we need that out here oh a good shrink we've done this before is this is the the delamination of these mirrors here Jack well actually do you can't feel it it's from the back uh what we'll do is we'll put like a little strip of molding around it two or three inches and it actually makes it look like a custom mirror without taking that mirror off how cool is that all right so okay so we got our Master over here vaulted that's nice this makes it feel a little larger and garage is foreign it is a finished garage hey it's a fully finished garage that's great okay and well so a lot of uh garages in like 80s and Beyond you wouldn't have drywall in there and I don't imagine it are the grouches insulated here I don't imagine all of them but not yeah okay that it wouldn't be so much expected but uh it gets so dusty when they're not finished just in the garage you get the studs out there so starting to be a concern yeah it kind of does you know also another thing is the bull nose edges was this big thing in the 90s now we're back to doing the sharp edges oh Green carpet too bedrooms over here it's dad's favorite color it this is I wouldn't pick this variety of green but it isn't that I do like greens all right great let's go next one here we have an example of three different styles of Arizona Turf Choice One Rock Choice two pink Rock then we go over here and you have choice three dead Turf and then you have Choice four faked her those are the four choices you have in Arizona which do you like comment below one of the best agents you can get is an agent who's also an investor because they believe in investing in the area and they make personal decisions they know personal vendors those are the people you want in your network so if you're an agent you should also be investing in the product you're selling I saw Lakes when I took a wrong turn there's a ton of man-made lakes here a ton that's super popular do they ever like dry out no can you swim in them uh no they're chemicals so they're like for fishing and boating wait you said they're chemical what they're like a ton of chemicals in them so they're like a weird blue color you'll also see in Gilbert and in Arizona in general there's like a church every block is everyone Mormon yes so many wait oh it's a heavy Mormons do you know how like they have like the Bible Belt in East the Eastern United States no I never heard of that um so it's like called the Bible Belt it's like where a lot of Christians are a lot of the event evangelists are okay so in the Church of Jesus Christ they have something called The Book of Mormon belt where it's Idaho Utah Arizona I've seen that play yeah so it's like that it's like the Bible Belt of the Book of Mormon belt wow so Arizona's like third or fourth most populated state for members of the church nine days ago and they dropped the price from 490 to 425 holy smokes yeah that see now this is where the prices start getting juicy again uh let's go talk to this is a good catch all right number two that's exciting all right let's take a look go ahead guys there's no it's vacant right well you guys can go run around and then go to the park okay so interesting this is a pretty small front family room uh and then here's your I guess this would be more your living room interesting okay so now this one they started at 490 on this one huh yes and in January they were together in January 2020.
hey 2022. yeah yeah oh my gosh uh and so they've been on for almost six months here yeah okay meticulous home in the Willows so on the way over here we noticed it's getting newer yes okay is that a big attraction absolutely and so I don't know if you guys took great road but there's there's off that was just put it that's like the three level golf when you get Top Golf yeah oh interesting that's the sign okay interesting it's not a surprise it's not kept up because I don't know that anybody's actually really using this huh this is like something you park a little barbecue here on and you spend most of your time inside that makes sense how often do you guys have AC issues and maintenance like I imagine in the summer you know you're running them all the time yeah you can't even sleep without it so the big thing is specifically the rentals every six months yeah just getting it serviced oh really oh you just preemptively service these things every six months because if there's two things that always are going to be a huge issue with rentals which you probably know yeah here's 8C units and roofs wow wow okay yeah that's incredible if for some reason your AC breaks in the summer oh you're gonna get ripped off well you have to pay for the tenants hotel stay oh no way oh so the AC goes down you're putting people in a hotel exactly yeah yeah it's interesting this is it's not very large down here with the newer homes you're getting smart saving stuff it's I a it's surprising because I thought okay more land out here we'd be seeing larger right that's interesting uh but now you mentioned that you're not seeing more turnover because of that people are used to that no so the guy that guy that was just here he's the um real estate agent listing it oh okay yeah tenant was here for four years oh wow and then again my couple of rentals I've had the same kind of like six years that's incredible what would I mean so this is probably gonna go out for somewhere around four uh they should just go to 399 and try to get somebody right away yeah exactly open that pool up but beyond that this is nice the hinges are newer you get the nice two panel doors you know people go crazy they spend money on like solid core doors like nobody cares do people don't even know uh unless you're a homeowner who's trying to just waste money those are the only people who care about that easy you know one of the things I found with these ceramic bowls is the water just eats them away and that's what's happened here in this one you all have hard water out here yeah you're okay so you do water softeners out here too thumbs up or thumbs down from the kids on the park uh did you see the inside the house only the downstairs yeah I was surprised it's a a little bit on the smaller side downstairs what year is it 2011.
yeah that's surprising is this true that the new construction homes they're only three inches or they're not making like this was a four no I know but like for your new construction or the most newest construction they're three and four three four okay I just yeah I was surprised by how small the kitchen was um and I didn't see upstairs I mean and obviously we could I mean if I would imagine if you just go to uh 2400 square foot or you're paying 600k but now you're getting the larger space this is 1600.
so they are more I mean you're fitting four into 16 maybe it makes more sense yeah but I I did I have to say I did think uh well especially and I already figure out what year did you say to that 11 11 yeah I mean to me like that seems like the at least it should be a bigger kitchen right I thought so but but then again you know maybe that's just the square footage we're looking in yeah the longevity of tenants has actually been really good out here I could see it I I have a Vibe of it being very family friend friendly and I think the people want that Community feel so they stick around for that especially do you ever have crime like really crime issues Gilbert's one of the safest in Arizona but interesting thing two years ago Gilbert was actually voted the number one family oriented city in Arizona yeah it was a big deal here and everyone yeah are people coming then from like uh New Mexico or Phoenix or where Cali that's where all right I'm like what's going on in California yeah Newsome I have these family friendly aspect because the families want to stay grounded and created and not move a lot well yeah because then all the high schools like once you get your kids in one high school you don't want them to leave and yeah schools are a big pride thing here so you want to see your kids all the way through High School District and you get the families here yeah because then people have kids and then they're like oh my gosh we wish we had more people okay all right let's go to the next one all right hey people are intrigued why like open door and offer pad and all those eye buyers start here this is always like the testing grounds oh they start here yeah well so now they're selling here they're unloading here now yeah but um one of the things the reason for that is it's one of the very few cities where the same county you can get to any particular City within 30 to 45 minutes oh wow and that's very intriguing for them especially for finding workers or whatever now we're in Chandler I have no idea what to expect in Chandler but supposedly it is a sister City of Gilbert it did look like the median income of handler was about two thousand dollars less than what you get in uh Gilbert median income's about 44 in Gilbert here it's about forty two five okay only one and a half thousand dollar difference however Scottsdale 49.2 000 then you go to Phoenix or Mesa only 31.6 so big difference is in median income very interesting we're looking at the middle right now Phoenix being low Scottsdale being high this be in the middle okay sweet larger single story yeah thanks Phil nice I smell the fresh paint they did my favorite part for me that's interesting they painted but left the kitchen cabs hey quick interjection and reminder to check out househack.com we're going to be opening that up for non-accredited investors within the next couple of months which we're really excited to do if you are an accredited investor you get some benefits like extra free warrants if you decide to invest early check that out and learn more by going to househack.com we'd love to have you here you actually have a yard uh probably pretty much nobody who can really look in I don't think I don't know if that's a bedroom that looks like a staircase window up there Christian you can see that window there with the uh the circle window on top usually that is a staircase usually not always but uh I I generally don't see those little half circles in bedrooms so you do have a busier Road here what what this is the one we pulled in on I think oh yeah okay yeah so you've got no one behind you and you've got some kind of park or something back here okay so this looks like a uh like a Jacuzzi pad or something here I don't see any power though something that does affect longevity for tenances if you could hear a lot of road noise people could tend to leave what are you doing Jack Jack there's no pool you said there was a pool you're wrong it probably said pool no so for a hundred grand you're looking at four to five hundred bucks more in rent so that might be what if see that's probably what we were feeling is that maybe people want the bigger space and so you're actually seeing a disproportionately higher rent because of that like if I if I did I don't know if I divided it out uh I'll play some math on it I jack I I saw it that's interesting so the one that's although but then again there's a 2151 over here why did that one rent so little that's interesting see there this because this is our neighborhood that one ran it for 350 bucks less oh and it's active actually is it active so low I wonder if it if it's vacant maybe we can see it see what's wrong with it yep you're Rod yeah they epoxied the floor jack you see how it's painted with Flakes and it's gray that's called Epoxy paint and if you don't prime it well it'll peel up because of those lines the Expansion Joints yeah you do that with concrete so it doesn't crack yeah we're gonna have to fix that that's unacceptable yeah I actually like screen doors like this see this is this is not just your typical screen door it's also a security door uh which then you wonder is there more crying but uh you got the double deadbolt which I saw they did that in the garage as well and usually you will you'll you'll you know have the flippy thing here uh the Double key deadbolt is interesting because then you can lock people inside maybe it's Andrew Tate's house foreign different here you got the fake security camera you got the double deadbolts everywhere you got the security door they got a security door too yeah slightly less I would say less I love the fake security camera yeah there's no way it's real that's like one of those 12 stick ups tonight yeah any difference in crime that you've noticed between the two so I'm just look I saw this one garage and here they locked it both ways like this so you locked on the inside they got the fake security camera they got you know like they got the security door over there Gilbert's um less crying okay Chandler butts up against the old the old part of Mesa the median um income is like one of the highest oh that's your highest ZIP code right here interesting that said not Satan Village but what do people call it out here yeah okay my dad was just saying that if you have a lot of rocks in the front you're reflecting maybe more Heat against the house so maybe a strategy is the part that's close to the house you have a little bit more Turf I don't know the science on that that would be interesting to look into it's a theory we'll look into it all right well let's go oh you can't do rocks against the house because of that yes but not in this uh this size anymore what do you mean the size you have to have some green on that between oh oh you're saying like it can't all be Rock like you have to have some green in there okay oh that's it because of heat the Heat and it reflects the environment it's not good for the environment oh interesting contributes to global warming yeah okay let's go now these houses look nice see the problem though is as soon as you have one person in the neighborhood with a three-car garage everybody's jealous of the three-car garage person this is what I was talking about though see you do a lot of rock see they did Rock over there where it doesn't matter you got a little seating area brilliant that's another way you can separate up the front yard the walkway rock rock and then some grass even how they cut it off over here brilliant that's this this is a very nice front yard so you've lowered your actual total sod by 60 percent you know the other stuff you don't even have to replace it's just there for the next 20 years this is great this is a really good example I mean they could have even come down another you know chunk over there but it looks great that's nice see this WOW too Rocky I don't know my take so offer pad sign right here when I got in the business there's Lauren she can corroborate this when I got in the business and I started working for my father-in-law's real estate brokerage right as he was kind of getting ready to retire uh I'm like you know what I need to do is I need to change the name of my father-in-law's Biz to pad Realty and he's like no bad dead no way and then it's like I don't know I wouldn't have used pad Realty again but it's funny now there's a company called offerpad and I'm like that's close to what my idea was so this is this so pad Realty is uh is an eye buyer or Pat offer pad or whatever okay and they don't do this type of upgrades to any of the properties they were just they were paying for them in the a lot of the residents already had this done oh so they were buying fixed up places basically everything that's dumb so one of the things that happened was like over the past couple of years they had like really strict criteria where they would buy right and when the market got so hot right that went away and it was fine everybody they just bought everything exactly it didn't matter the location price point well that's why they're knocking on the door bankruptcy now yeah that's crazy so they didn't actually do this work they bought this from somebody else who just did the work this is a brand new kitchen they glazed the spider oh my gosh this used to be that Ivory kind of yellowed bathtub they glazed they glazed the whole thing it looks great Jack don't yeah why not Jack we're not here okay we don't want to do we did retali that's true yeah should I please stop turning the water on okay this is all glazed too this is all uh that old uh marble the uh yellowed or whatever but you could they I don't think they did the best job this is a little you can see it's a little speckled but this whole sink everything they just glazed all of this together I mean it looks good but uh they could have done a better job it just feels very it feels like rough sandpaper not that so much matters but yeah they glaze this too see what's funny is you can actually see in the drain how it got painted the drain got painted as they went to place this they took off the screens I haven't seen that system before so you screw it in this way and then just tighten it in yeah slap it in tighten the screw done huh as opposed to actually sitting in the frame of the window yeah I mean something like this is moving ready the gold mine is if you could find something like this that's a fixer you have to be fast you have to be there that day for the 2000 to 2015 style properties because they just sell so fast but that's okay we can do that all right this is nice those kids are crazy man you guys are nuts oh yeah it is a double master see that is nice Lauren's right that that really sets you up for you have a guest bath you have a double master sets you up for a roommate situation potentially I don't know if we would go for a two bedroom ourselves but certainly if we can find something in an area like this where uh we can get a fixer-upper they were coming they're coming now it's also interesting they painted the baseboards here the same color as the walls I'm not a big fan of that blend in style but uh they're doing that with the door frames here as well so see this is a good example again of that the way you can style a backyard without having so much Rock so I had no idea what to expect in Arizona so I came to Chandler and Gilbert and the first thing I needed was an amazing realtor and I found one he's right here Phil introduce yourself shout yourself out Instagram phone number put it out there really simple it's Phil Shaver I work all of East Valley Gilbert Chandler you can find me on YouTube and Instagram Phil Shaver AZ awesome man thank you so much you've been so helpful and teaching me about the different areas about the different Customs tenants you do rental property as well so useful when you're looking for a realtor it's a really good idea to find somebody who also has rental property that way if you ever have to rent out a home you got somebody who's got experience thank you so much absolutely man thank you so much appreciate it now before we left we had to stop by and visit an actual local resident of Gilbert we also looked at this beautiful new litter of Labradoodle pups that were born we showed those to the kids we had pizza with them we hung out with them outside we learned about the areas we learned about room rentals that they do in their own rental properties in other areas and various information about the local community so getting to know an area isn't just about looking at homes it's not just about understanding okay I gotta find a fixer it's about knowing which areas do you want to focus on how much can you learn about everything involved around that area that the people what do people do why do people come why do people leave and then when a fixer-upper comes up in that neighborhood that's what you end up striking on for example a lot of the homes that we saw on that trip were not fixer-uppers but that's okay we can look at other properties to understand them in the neighborhood and then we can look for fixtures within those for example there was one neighborhood where the kids were playing at the park a fixer that came up in that 2011 neighborhood I potentially wouldn't have even Taft to go out there to look at it I could just buy it blindly because I know it's a 2011 property and I already know the neighborhood whereas other neighborhoods I could say hey that's a good deal but I don't want to own in that neighborhood or I don't want to own up against that pissy road but you have to start by understanding the area first becoming a local expert and making sure everybody in that area knows you and you're there regularly all right Lauren Gilbert Mesa Phoenix Chandler what did you think I was really surprised I actually was kind of like not super optimistic going into like I never heard of Gilbert Arizona before and I was very very pleasantly surprised with how it gave me a really nice family vibe there were a lot of really really great neighborhoods and then uh they have like these Central Parks within each neighborhood which is just like a playground a volleyball court a basketball court things like that and it just really adds to the family Vibe I think with those types of cities like Gilbert where it has that family Vibe it encourages people to lay their roots and kind of stay there for a while as opposed to a city where maybe there are constantly new developments and people are always chasing the next nice new development so with that I think that you know people are likely to stay longer which is just generally good with uh buying and then renting out or or whatever you may do well like you mentioned when people put their Roots down they also get their family their in-laws their parents or whatever close to them and their families we also learned that the best pool to own is not your own pool so have an HOA that has a pool community pool yeah and I guess out here they do high schools that that have water parks attached to them and then they open them up to anybody who wants to use them in the summer now it's another thing too when you said High School um we were educated that you know with laying your roots you really want to maintain this school district so you want to stay in the same district to have your same peers through your school years so I I don't know I just really think that generally we should look for this type of real estate market uh basically family friendly so we don't have a lot of turnover yeah exactly and then long-term rentals until we can be certain that we're not running into an Airbnb bubble that that's the last thing you want but I'll tell you right now rents are still at a level where you can buy a property cash and actually get a pretty solid cash on cash return especially if you get a wedge deal and who avoid the crazy financing that everybody else is paying so your cash on cash return for safe stable long-term real estate actually pretty impressive we'll run some some numbers but I was pleasantly surprised much like you me too it's Arizona yeah yeah maybe more perks for tax savings uh or lower costs to live or buy or whatever it may be there usually is a reason why and there's for this it's three months is very very very hot but I think uh I don't know when you go back to the roots of it being family I think that you know yeah they have hotness and other places have snow just you know people have their their stuff and everything's got A plus of money but you know what they don't have to deal with earthquakes and I don't believe they have to deal with fires because there are only rocks to burn out here there's no vegetation generally just very very pleasantly surprised if I and no Newsome I mean yeah so yeah I liked it it was fun thanks for coming on our first trip of course
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