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๐Ÿ”ด Peter Schiff Slams Bitcoin, Federal Reserve and Antitrust Regulators

Peter Schiff ยท 2017-11-10 ยท ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ ์‹œ์ฒญ 35,162 ยท ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ ์กฐํšŒ 7 ยท ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ

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์ €์ž: PeterSchiff ยท ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ

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๊ฒฐ๋ก : ํ”ผํ„ฐ ์‰ฌํ”„๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ฃผ์‹ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์ด๋ฉฐ ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ‰๋ฝ ์œ„ํ—˜์ด ํฌ๊ณ , ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ 5~10๋…„๊ฐ„ ์•ฝ์„ธ๊ฐ€ ์ด์–ด์ ธ ํ•ด์™ธ ์ž์‚ฐ ํˆฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ฆ์‹œ ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ ์ฃผ์žฅ: ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐธ๋ฅ˜์—์ด์…˜์ด ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ด๊ณ  ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์•ˆ์ผํ•จ์ด ํฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณธ๋‹ค. 2000๋…„ ์ดํ›„ 50% ํ•˜๋ฝ์ด ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฒฝ๊ณ ํ•œ๋‹ค. ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์—ฐ์ค€์ด ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์„ ํ‚ค์›Œ ๊ตฌ์ œํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ํ•œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณธ๋‹ค. ์ €๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ํšจ๊ณผ ์ฃผ์žฅ: ๊ธฐ์—… ์‹ค์ ์€ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ์ €๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ ๋•๋ถ„์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ธˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ •์ƒํ™”๋˜๋ฉด ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค(์ฐ๋ฌผ ๋น„์œ ). ํˆฌ์ž ์ „๋žต: ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹œ์žฅ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ํ‰๊ฐ€๋๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ ์„ ์ง„๊ตญยท์‹ ํฅ๊ตญ ์ฃผ์‹, ์›์ž์žฌ(์œ ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ)๋กœ ์ž๊ธˆ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ถŒํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ํ–ฅํ›„ 5~10๋…„ ๋Œ€์•ฝ์„ธ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ˜๋…์  ๊ทœ์ œ ์ฃผ์žฅ: ์ •๋ถ€ ๊ทœ์ œ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ž์œ ์‹œ์žฅ๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ์†Œ๋น„์ž์—๊ฒŒ ๋‚ซ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๋ฉฐ AT&T-ํƒ€์ž„์›Œ๋„ˆ ํ•ฉ๋ณ‘๊ณผ CNN ๋ถ„ํ•  ์š”๊ตฌ์— ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํ•œ๋‹ค. ๊ทœ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜์‹ ์„ ์ €ํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์†Œ๋น„์ž ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋น„ํŠธ์ฝ”์ธ ์ฃผ์žฅ: ๊ฐ€์น˜ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ ๋ขฐ์—๋งŒ ์˜์กดํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์ด ์ œํ•œ์ ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋Œ€์ฒด ์•”ํ˜ธํ™”ํ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌดํ•œ์ • ์ƒ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณธ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ํ‰๊ฐ€์ด์ต์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง€๊ณ  ์ œ๋กœ์„ฌ ๋˜๋Š” ํฐ์ง€ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค. ๊ธˆ ๋น„๊ต: ๊ธˆ์€ ๋ณด์„ยท์ „์žยท์˜๋ฃŒยทํ•ญ๊ณต ๋“ฑ ์‹ค๋ฌผ ์šฉ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋‚˜ ๋น„ํŠธ์ฝ”์ธ์€ ๋ณด์œ  ์™ธ ์šฉ๋„๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•œ๋‹ค. ์ถœ์—ฐ์ž ์ „๋ง ์š”์•ฝ: ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ฆ์‹œ๋Š” ํฐ ํญ ํ•˜๋ฝ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’๊ณ , ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์žฅ๊ธฐ ์•ฝ์„ธ, ๋น„ํŠธ์ฝ”์ธ์€ ๋ถ•๊ดด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ž…์žฅ์ด๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ ์€ ํŠน์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.

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01. Are the stock markets pulling back from record highs? Let's get some reaction now from Peter Schiff, CEO of Euro Pacific Capital. Peter, it's been an incredible record run, and even with this slight pullback, the levels we're seeing were record highs not too long ago. So what do you say?

02. Well, the bubble keeps getting bigger. Donald Trump called it himself as a candidate. He said it was a big fat ugly bubble, and he was right. Now he's wrong, because now he denies it's a bubble. He's the president now, so it's his bubble, and he'd rather it be a bull market. But the valuations here are really extreme, and the complacency is also extreme. Investors are willing to pay very high prices and have very little worry that the stock market is going to go down. People have very short memories. We've had two major 50% declines in the stock market this century, since 2000. So the market has been cut in half twice, and it could easily happen again, yet nobody seems concerned.

03. I think one of the reasons is that the last two times the market went down, the Fed was able to bail out investors who bet on one bubble by inflating a bigger one. So a lot of investors may have been conditioned to believe that even if the market implodes, if they hold on, they'll get their money back. But the third time may not be the charm. It's possible, if the Fed can't blow a bubble big enough to bail out investors this time.

04. But Peter, you must acknowledge how well some of these companies are doing. Look at how well Apple is doing, and they have a pretty modest valuation. Other stocks like Amazon and Microsoft are doing so great, and Roku. Companies are benefiting from these technology trends, right?

05. Well, I think they're really benefiting from all the cheap money that's been coming out of the Federal Reserve. So yes, it's very easy for companies to do well when interest rates are at historic lows. Let's see how well these companies perform when interest rates normalize. That is the key. They're doing well on life support, but let's unplug all those gadgets and see how they do. If rates were allowed to normalize, what was it Warren Buffett used to say? When the tide goes out, we see who's swimming naked. I think there are a lot of people swimming naked, and you just don't know it because of all the water the Fed has been sprinkling into the markets. But eventually the tide is going to go out, and it's not going to be pretty.

06. So do you think that tide turns in the next year?

07. I don't know, and there's no way to know. Donald Trump has nominated somebody who will try to do his best to keep the air in the bubble. Exactly. But at some point, market forces will overwhelm the Fed. The market will go down, and if it doesn't go down, the dollar will collapse instead. Either way, you're going to see the real value of US stocks come way down, whether it happens nominally or not. And I have a feeling that if the Fed prints enough money to prevent the market from going down dramatically, the real losses will be even bigger because of the implosion of the US dollar.

08. Okay, so any advice for investors on where to put their money right now, if they're worried about US stocks?

09. Yes. I've been putting my money outside the US market for years. It was a great trade up until 2008. From 2001 to 2008, the returns were spectacular internationally, in commodities and emerging markets. Then we had good years from 2009 through 2012. 2013, 2014, and 2015 were bad years for global investors. We had a big rise in the dollar, a drop in gold, and dropping commodities. But the tide has turned since January of last year, and I think we're riding a big wave here. People in the US market are overlooking much better returns, from much better valuation levels, that are happening overseas. So I think people should take advantage of the overpriced US stock market and the overpriced US dollar. Sell, move money abroad, get into the international developed and emerging markets, and get into the commodity space. Look at oil hitting a new two-year high again today. This is happening in commodities across the board. We are coming off major bear markets, at the infancy of new bull markets. I think the dollar is about to get killed. This is the first year in many years that the dollar is down, but I think it's the first of many. I think the dollar could fall for the next five to ten years in a major bear market, taking the dollar to all-time record lows. This will enable enormous profits for people invested outside the US, in the right currencies, the right assets, and the right companies. That's what I think we're doing with our clients at Euro Pacific Capital, and that's certainly what I'm doing with my own money.

10. All right, Peter, I want to ask you about a specific market situation. There are reports that the Justice Department is asking for CNN to be spun off in order for AT&T's acquisition of Time Warner to close. Of course, Time Warner owns CNN. What's your reaction to something like this?

11. Well, I don't think it really matters much, but I really wish the government would stay out. I really don't like all of this antitrust legislation. It all started with a populist movement early in the last century, and I think over the years it has done far more harm than good. Consumers are best served not by government regulators but by the free market. So let companies compete, and let companies merge. At the end of the day, I think the consumer is going to win. I am not worried about monopolies unless they exist by way of a government grant or a government regulation that stifles competition. The free market and competition are the best things the consumer has, and we don't need the government to make the market free. The market does a very good job on its own. When regulators try to substitute their own judgment and determine that things are anti-competitive, they make more errors in judgment, and they end up stifling innovation and growth. At the end of the day, because of all this antitrust regulation, I think the consumer ends up paying higher prices than would otherwise be the case if the government just minded its own business.

12. Even so, if AT&T buys up content, they'd have more pricing power, so the consumer could lose. But there is so much competition for content now. It's crazy to say there won't be a competitive market. Look, I remember when the government broke up the merger between Blockbuster and Hollywood Video because they said they would dominate the VCR rental market. That market doesn't even exist anymore. It was gone within a few years anyway, and they were desperately trying to survive. Yet the government blocked a merger because they wanted to make sure there was still competition to rent movies. Look at all the competition that exists even without any rental companies. This is nonsense. There is plenty of content and plenty of alternatives. Consumers have more options now than ever before. This is ridiculous. These companies need to merge to remain competitive in an environment that is hypercompetitive right now.

13. Well, the thinking is that Trump has criticized CNN's coverage of him. Is that the ultimate reason he wants, or the administration wants, CNN sold?

14. Look, I have no idea if it's that kind of petty vendetta, or if the president has anything to do with it. This is the type of stuff that has been happening. If Trump was going to drain the swamp, I'd like to see some swamp draining over there. Stop nitpicking. If private businesses want to get together, and the shareholders of these companies decide it's in their economic interest to merge, let them merge.

15. So Peter, what do you make of the latest surge in Bitcoin in recent days? It hit $7,800 at one point. How high can this go?

16. Well, I don't know. I guess there's no limit, because there's no real value. I don't believe in Bitcoin. If we can go to $8,000, it can go to $80,000. I suppose the odds are lower the higher you get, because the prices become so absolutely ridiculous. And of course, people holding these things will at some point want to sell, or want to buy stuff. So at some point the market is going to go down. But what I've seen recently is more people looking at Bitcoin not as a fiat currency, not as an alternative medium of exchange. A lot of people are acknowledging it's not going to be an alternative for typical people around the world to go out and buy a cup of coffee. They're not going to pay for it with Bitcoin. Now the story is that it's an alternative to gold, that it's not really digital currency, it's digital gold, and that people could use it the way most people use gold. Most people don't use gold as money, even though we used gold as money in the past. Today investors use gold as an inflation hedge, a store of value, a safe haven. Now they're trying to market Bitcoin as an alternative to gold. They're even calling it digital gold, and they're trying to get investors, hedge funds, and larger buyers to come in. To some extent, I think this marketing campaign is working. Of course, the returns on Bitcoin have been spectacular. The people who bought in three, four, five, six years ago have made returns we've never seen, even in the dot-com bubble or any other bubble. The amount of money on paper is enormous, and some people have actually cashed out. Those spectacular gains create a situation where people want to get in, hoping the same thing can happen again, that it can go up another 50 or 100 times. It probably isn't going to do that. At some point it's going to implode, but I have no idea when.

17. Do you think Bitcoin is a legitimate alternative to gold?

18. No, I don't think it is. It is an asset, a digital asset. What its actual value is remains to be seen, but it has nothing in common with gold. There are certain things you could say it has in common with gold, but you can't do anything with it. None of the real-world uses of gold apply. Gold is used in jewelry. You can't make jewelry out of Bitcoin. Gold is used in consumer electronics, in medicine, and in aerospace. Bitcoin has no use other than being stored as an asset, and that depends on other people valuing that asset. It's all based on trust and confidence. That's what people who were initially buying Bitcoin saw as the flaw in the dollar, the euro, or the yen. All these fiat currencies are created by governments, have no real backing, and have no real value. Their value comes from confidence, trust, and faith. But that's the exact same way Bitcoin derives its value. Yes, Bitcoin is limited in supply, unlike dollars or euros, which are unlimited. But there is an unlimited supply of other cryptocurrencies that can be created, which are as good as Bitcoin, or maybe even better. So there is an unlimited supply as well. I don't think these currencies are going to work, but they have made people a lot of money. Certainly the people who have cashed out have made money, and a lot of other people have big paper profits, whether or not they actually realize them. We'll see. I think most of the paper profits are going to vanish, but some will be realized. At the end of the day, I think it becomes a zero-sum game. The people who make money on Bitcoin will do so at the expense of the people who lose money. Just like any kind of pyramid or Ponzi scheme, somebody gets caught holding the bag, and the bag holders end up providing all the profits for the people who got in early and cashed out.

19. That could be a hot potato situation. I don't want to get caught with it when the music stops. Peter Schiff, always a pleasure chatting with you. Thanks so much.

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