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you have no idea how closely I followed you and I'm sitting I'm like this guy is going to disrupt politics how many 25 30 yearolds are going to say I'm going to run for governor because of Kevin I fully believe that God put this in my heart for a reason he says the hardest mountain to climb is Media good luck getting in you're going to be criticized demonized said okay then that's what I'm going to do biggest problem we have in America is hero making machine we have a problem with hero making machine this is probably the worst podcast I've ever done oh no like I can't wait to read the comments because what advice would you give me I you know I I uh let me explain in what way she says there's no way can resist me comes to the house in a birthday suit and she's like you going to say no to this but I chose to say I'm changing everything in my life changed a privilege of interviewing in person Patrick B davit thank you so much for inviting me over here and the last time I was here I was running for governor and I was on your show yes are you announcing that you're running for president now no I'm not born here I I can't I can't uh run for office do you wish they would change that um do I wish they would change that uh to me I understand having a pride to protect uh the sanctity of something for example you've been to cross stations before in Beverly Hills this restaurant in Beverly Hills crustations you know they have two chick two kitchens one kitchen that anybody can go to and the other one kitchen is only the on family that can go to because they don't want to you know release certain recipes that they're you know passed down from generation to generation I fully respect protecting that I get it having said that I think there are people that love America and would fight for this place way more than people that were born here because they give a different perspective yeah but the way I would do it is the guidelines would be you've had to been living here for 35 years and have certain criterias you have to do a little bit more than the average guy that's here military public service cop firefighter something you've done that you've given to the country uh because the person that's born here they're born here you're coming from the outset prove to us that you're loyal to America in that case you would be able to run you've thought about this before I have yeah yeah and and that way you might even unlock somebody like uh an Elon Musk running or of course yourself or I was born in Germany I moved here when it's 13 months old I feel like an American you can't run I can't I I didn't know you were born in we're in Germany by the way uh just outside of dorf a small town called felbert yeah wow I lived in airlan for a year and a half wow gery so you know ambition yeah ambition yeah I I had a great time when I was there the the best singer in the world was uh this was a song yeah obviously my accent is terrible but you know he does it much better that's incredible how many languages do you speak I speak four and in German if let's just say you and I went on a we went to Germany for a week it would come back up but I would say four or German would be the fifth yeah Armenian my mother Assyrian my dad Persian Iran English here wow yeah one of the things that I've noticed coming here by the way and the difference over the last two and a half years just looking in from the outside is that you've gone all in on media and and the News front with and Via YouTube It's almost like you stole cardone's 10x and you're like I'm just going to 100x and you've been executing it and it's been wonderful I want to to see your explosion with it is that the next Frontier um news through YouTube the way you're doing it maybe even to some extent The Way Tucker is doing it now after he left Fox well was as to Fox or however we want to phrase that I I think uh uh there's a lot of guys that have done a great job with content obviously Cardone you got to applaud him on how he used uh YouTube and creating content to build the uh massive real estate portfolio that he's built I don't know how big it is today I don't follow a lot of the content he blocked me a few years ago after I interviewed a Scientologist and that was the last time I spoke but congratulations so I'm also blocked by Cardone and I remember meeting you and Cardone at some event in Los Angeles oh that's right and I remember you were following them with the camera this was at Albert PR's event this is 6 years ago 5 years ago why do you remember because I remember you you no I clearly remember that you were chasing him down and he was trying to avoid you if I'm not mistaken that's right how old are you by the way I'm 31 I'm I had my birthday is in two days I turned 32 well happy early birthday thank you but how old were you at that yeah that would have been minus I was like 25 26 so that was six years ago I yeah you're right I knew you were going to do something because you you you what was one of the videos real estate videos you were running you were running and you're like showing let me tell what's going to happen with this video and you were so like constantly energized and uh I actually really wanted to see how far you were going to go as a governor because I wanted to see you as a case study because it would have been so disruptive if you would have made it all the way I think it would have change a game for a lot of different things but going back to the conversation about Cardone yeah so I um in in 2009 my pastor gets up and gives a speech and he says you know know uh uh in 2008 I'm trying to figure out what the hell I want to do my life I finally found the girl I'm going to marry my wife today we got four kids together I found the industry I'm going to be a part of for 20 years Financial I love it uh and I said okay so but why am I making money it's got to be bigger than money so I was I went and met with a handful of people I respect you know man named Dudley Bill and a few other guys and I said what should I do I said I want to find my purpose because there's no way in the world I've lived a strange life of Living in Iran bomb refugee camp military parents divorced twice all this stuff and why are you doing this to me God what what's happening with this so and they came in I said am I supposed to go Pastor because I I privately curse a lot so my pastor's like that's not your world you don't need to go that right I said great what do I need to do then eventually I go meet this um one man George Will at myar hotel and yeah I'm going through this face what the hell am I going to do I'm like okay now capitalism is my cause I'm about capitalism I'm about America I'm about free enterprise I can sell that all day my mother was a communist her family was a communist my dad's an imperialist we escaped Iran I kind of know the Two Worlds what KL Marx was all about what you know Wealth of Nations militon Freedom what these guys are all about Von mises okay great but then Dudley gives a speech and he says seven mountains to climb in the world Family Church military business he's going through all this stuff and then he says the hardest mountain to climb is media and this isn't an 0809 when he gives a speech seven mountains and I sit there and say why is Media hardest very competitive it's controlled by a handful of people good luck getting in you're going to be you know criticized demonized all this stuff that's why a lot of people can't make it said okay then that's what I'm going to do and I knew insurance industry I was going to do 20 years so this is 0809 I started 01 I knew I was going to go till 2021 and then I was going to leave the industry at a timeline of 20 years and I want to have a certain amount of money quar of million quar of a billion was my number to have after 20 years then I want to leave the industry so 20 250 is my number so then I sold nine months after my 20th year in the business is when I sold the company wow nine or 10 months so and that was your insurance business it was Insurance business that we grew from 66 agents to at the time when we sold it was I don't know like 40,000 agents today it's at 50,000 agents we sold the company after we sold the company last year the eido went up nearly 70% after we sold so it's not like we sold now it's worth less we sold now it's worth more so the buyer is happy relationship just more growth we made uh uh uh certain changes in the way we recognize quality of business we no longer accepted bad business we no longer recognize any bad business you know it went from like imagine submitting real estate we used to recognize for you submitting six homes and each is 1.2 million so 7.2 million versus where we're like no we don't care how many applications you submitted we're only recognizing how many homes you sell and close right so maybe that six is only two 2.8 million we stopped doing the six 7.2 million life changing to the business income went to all because this was commission based and sort of team building 1099 thank you so much referral based that's right 1099 referral based high volume recruiting you know and like aptive Pest Control almost you might compare it to I don't know what that is but it's funny AP control they door knock to sell Pest Control mostly uh on the west coast even go down to Texas uh and it's it's built on commission structure same thing high volume recr over yeah same philosophy the only difference is highly regulated industry got you have to get license you're dealing with Department of Insurance uh I'm dealing with 49 states were appointed in anyways long story short that ends I start value tment in 2012 December of 2012 knowing longterm I would like to see if I have what it takes to build a media company wow and then eventually you know we bought the domain value tment and then we bought the domain vt.com and then now we're all in but the vision for us isn't uh uh you know just to make money and all that it's a lot of other things that we want to do longterm but yes VT how much uh oh it's public U $75,000 actually not bad for two letters I agree it's a $2.2 million domain exactly right I was I was going to say at least least three mil so good job because I was looking into MK and then for a while pee for pricing power you know anyway the guy was a the guy was a a fan and I had I had take had used his service we had spend time together so he gave me a break but he was fair and he's like like I know I know nobody it's just going to be vment VT Virginia Tech you know there only a few people going to use VT but and then I working out for us good for you well something you just said that I thought was so interesting and very relatable uh I I feel that regularly is you said you were looking for something bigger than money something with purpose do you think you could see yourself actually retiring and doing nothing or do you think humans need to do something and achieve in something you know it's so funny we saying this this what we talked about today and it's the big argument me and Bill Mah got two days ago this is probably the worst podcast I've ever done me and Bill Mah oh no because let me explain in what way when you watch it like I can't wait to read the comments because there was no momentum in the conversation kept getting stuck in animosity kept getting stuck in animosity and hostile it was it it wasn't good but and I'll tell you why what the disconnect is between the conversation so do I think uh you know everybody has to be in pursuit of something for their purpose I know people who are retired Kevin and they are so happy and I'm not saying retired like you know the first six months you retired everybody wants to say how happy they are and they're full of sure I'm saying retired seven years oh wow and they're happy so for example retired golfing 6 days a week going to the country club breakfast you know all this stuff and they're enjoying it and wife and you know wife plays tennis sincerely happy I respect that I can't do that I'm not wired that way and to me I look at it in a couple different ways I'm working my tail off because for me we're having a conversation right now on the podcast would you be okay with the president of the United States being single never married no kids oh wow I feel like there'd be a whole aspect of relatability almost missing what well okay what else you think would be missing well I mean I'll say from my point of view I've been with my wife uh since I was 16 years old I don't think I'd be the same person if it weren't for her she is so incredibly useful in my life and in in in so many ways I never like I don't think you can look on like a dating app and be like oh yeah they're going to help me in every aspect of my life but how useful Lauren has been in my life and even having children it's given me a completely different perspective uh and appreciation so I I think people should have that interesting right I mean it's an interesting question to say because somebody may say well what's wrong with having a single president let's let's do the Devil's Advocate thing and let's play that card why can't we have a single president he probably has more time to solve problems than you do he's probably going to be more you know decisions to make where it's not going to be tied to kids or motives or manipulation or maybe trying to use the law to favor his kids like hey what's going on with Hunter what's going on with Dr what's so maybe we can make that argument right there's like kind of like why the CIA sometimes their rumor has that they would recruit people that are fatherless no Mom nothing to live for because it's kind of like that's the profile right I mean fairness that kind of business I feel like that's the person who kind of needs to be an operative is somebody who's totally alone perfect so watch what we just did we just we just qualified what POS position a person like that would be good for someone like that okay so now let's go over there and let's talk about you know the whole conversation about purpose to me I don't know if you can't get married man I feel bad for you if you can but there's a reason why God created you that you not married you can't have kids there's a reason why God created you the way he did that you can't have kids that's Health you can't do nothing but it's out of your hands you choose to adopt animals whatever more power to you but if you have the ability to have kids and have a family I don't know if I can live you know without getting married or never meeting my four kids are you kidding me like take me right now I don't have a reason to exist if I don't have this right so everything is finding a way to live for others and at a certain phase of your life you're going to be more selfish than others and that's okay and I finally in in the book choose your enemies wisely I wanted to come out with a scorecard because I looked at the guys in our company in the insurance company the last 20 years that did very well and I gave gave everyone a scorecard on who was the most selfish and who was the most selfless and who made more money and the score that was the best person that grew their business was 7030 70% selfish 30% selfless the most selfless people were not competitive we not driven we're not hostile we not wanting to prove a point they didn't give a if they became millionaires or drove a ice car or won or were first place or won a trip to go to a company trip nothing but the 7030 there were selfless enough to not to some stupid that's the 7030 split so on the purpose side yeah I I I mean you know it depends on how many versions of you you want to meet I want to meet the next version of me like you know I I want to know uh I don't think this version if I stay like this is capable of doing what I want to do in the next 5 to 10 years I want to meet that guy I want to meet the other guy kind of like what what's that actor said in one of his speeches you know I want to meet the 35y old version of me I want to be you know 45 year old version I think it was Matthew MCC who gave that fantastic speech right so I I I can't see myself doing it any other way but I'm at of phase when I talked to Bill Maher got engaged at 29 and he says he was forced to do it was kind of like I guess I love you I guess we get engaged oh wow never got married never had kids he doesn't like kids he thinks there's too many people living on the planet he thinks we need fewer people living on the planet and he likes his life that way I'm shock does believe in God yeah there are I'm more and more finding people who have that belief that that we shouldn't have more children I'm a big fan of having children I want have a lot of children an army of children uh and and I almost sometimes feel resentment from others even some of my family back in Germany like how could you bring more children into this world and I think to myself what do you mean this is I feel like that's my purpose is bringing and educating as to the best of my ability wonderful hopefully people into the world so why is this becoming more common I mean look whatever so last night we're having dinner with Dana White and I'm telling them this conversation we had a three-hour dinner with him phenomenal conversation my kind of a guy just a badass mother you know just a he doesn't give a here's what he does takes care of his people people like to work for him all these things right but then you know why are people going in this direction to me the biggest problem we have in America and we would fix it within three years biggest problem we have in America is hero making machine we have a problem with hero making machine whoever we edify as Heroes others will want to be for example if you became the governor of California if I am a governor of Cal of a state right I would on a monthly basis recognize the best every month I would do a press conference and I would say okay all right let's recognize the heroes of December here's what we got we got seven categories to go through uh let's start off under 18 I have five great stories to tell uh here's John Doe John Doe is 12 years old here's a video of what he did to to save his sister I am so proud of him the fact that he's a Floridian doing da d d great job so proud of you buddy hopefully one of these days I'm going to meet you I I want to see more 12-year-old kids want to defend their do sisters the way he did after that dog tried to bite them you know what and because of that we're going to put your face in the home office of okay there you go recognize the next high school student here you know what the sixe old kid did his mom was sick was in a hospital for 6 months he kept a 4.4 GPA had two jobs work additional making $5,000 a month took care of the bills took care of his younger sister this guy's a leader he's a hero boom so next now recognize people that are small business owners who started a business in 12 months in covid not took money from the government not a single penny from us he did it all by himself him and his wife after 20 years of being in you know restaurant business they build a business they produced nine jobs last week last year and that next here's somebody that's a senior citizen 78 years old just ran a marathon are you kidding I'm 45 never ran a marath boom and then I was oh my God next month who's going to be the hero boom and he's like I want to be like Johnny I want to be like Mary I want to run a marathon boom now 79 people run a marathon now 298 people want to be like that 12-y old johnan taking care of his kids and then hero making machine vers is today the hero is look at this father my three-year-old son told me he's a girl and we went in what the what are we talking about that's not a hero that is a terrible father who is listening to a three-year-old kid and we are afraid because we're worried about getting cancelled that we can't say three p three-year-old person knows how to make a decision are you out of your flipping mind so then that person's a hero on CNN or MSNBC or ABC or fox or whatever it is then the family's like oh I want to be a hero oh my son said to and and we're confused brother for me in every sales organization any company you're a part of any family you're a part of your parents sold somebody to you as a hero it could have been John F Kennedy it could have been a businessman it could have been an athlete it could have been a football player it could have been a soccer player it could have been the great uncle the great grandpa that had a business that did something and you always admired this man growing up I want to be this guy one day America's done a shitty job the last eight years 12 years selling the right Heroes were embarrassed to sell good cops that put their lives on the line were embarrassed to sell good military veterans that are doing the we're embarrassed to recognize good people that are going out there creating jobs and not wanting to take anything from the government we're embarrassed of recognizing those people and we want to recognize people that didn't pay their college loan off that didn't want we we are recognizing lack of responsibility because we feel sorry for them I have a very big problem with that Kevin I have a very big problem with that and I'm willing to bet a lot of other people also have a very big problem of this but they're so confused and Afraid and and don't have the backbone because they won't get the raise the company will fire them what if something maybe they don't have your kind of money you've been making good money for a long time you've been making millions for many many years this isn't like you just started making money and you're only 31 years old but maybe a guy's making 45 Grand a year he doesn't have your kind of backbone to make a decision like that so they're afraid and I understand them so if he can't do it I can't do it who the hell am I to be afraid and have his level of fear I speak on his behalf I speak on her behalf it is a coward move for me to be afraid to talk about this stuff when I have the resources again this is how I view it I don't judge the other people to not want to do this I view it that way because I think America has a massive hero making machine problem have you ever met a hero of yours and you know ended up disappointed or finding out that's not who you thought they were yeah uh it's interesting you say that because you know when when I was an atheist for 25 years I used to go to Bible study Friday nights in the Pasadena pnas with this guy named mono and my friend Aron introduced me to this and we would do debates from 6:00 to 2:00 in the morning on Friday night and I love good debates and arguments and you know all that stuff and I'm an atheist so was a great conversation because he was a Christian I was let me tell you all this religion people you know how many pastors haveon get up and I I was sleeping with his wife and I'm stepping down what a piece of Pastor that guy is how about how many priests do you see with boys and how how about how many men drugs at Hab and says look if you judge your relationship ship with God horizontally you will always be disappointed if it's vertical you'll never be disappointed so I try to not put you in a category of walking on water because I'm guaranteed to be disappointed and I look at everybody I'm like look man everybody's got flaws everybody's got issues I don't expect you to walk on water because I definitely don't I have a past I have issues I have dumb mistakes I made so many dumb mistakes that I look at him I'm like what were you thinking I'm like okay we got to move on and we got to become better leaders so I don't look at it from that perspective because to me it's more like uh if if I look at you as a hero it's because you've had a catalog of work you've done that I admire and just meeting you it's like hey man salute for what you've done maybe your marriage didn't work out maybe you one of your kids you know screwed up in life maybe you did something stupid in your life but I applaud you for being who you are and the level of Victories you've had in your life my standard isn't for you to walk on water at least try not to do that it's a very hard thing to do but I try not to do that do you admire Andrew Tate do uh I think Andrew Tate is necessary I think Andrew Tate is a fighter the other day this a very weird thing happened the other day I'm at a game uh in Florida I'm not going to say the city but I'm watching my son play 10-year-old son play soccer and a father's to my left and he comes up to me it's say and I'm I'm knowing I'm I'm talking to a guy because we want to do movie together and this guy worked on the uh uh something Stone Yellow Stone so we're having this conversation together it's like hey what about if we do this project how much money would it cost and this man is gradually coming closer to me and closer to me and he says so C can I can I tell you something yes yes sir so um I I think I think you you were unfair to uh uh uh Destiny and I think Destiny is is is uh he would have really called that rate the man that you defend who did human trafficking and he did this God my I'm really not in the mood I'm watching my son play I'm trying to get this movie conversation here and you're coming to my face like this I said so let me ask you a question do you have a son I do you have a son I do would you rather have your son follow the footsteps of a Destiny or follow the footsteps of an Andrew Tate oh 100% Destiny really yes so you're okay with your son being okay with his wife while they're married sleeping around with another man you're okay with that I'm okay with that well I'm not bro I said the conversation ends right here yeah what else do you want to have a conversation with you know what I'm noticing is you are so exceptionally unafraid of standing up for your values that you don't care you don't give a about what anybody else thinks and I respect that so good for you but you said you still read the comments why oh I'm going to read all the comments on on the what do you call it Bill Mah I can't wait to read the comments I read I I try to read as many comments as I can because here's how I read comments so to me it it does nothing for me anymore like hurting and all that at first listen first oh are you kidding me you're like o oh man that one hurts oh you oh and you're like oh my and then you would stress out about it like over and over and over again you know about certain comment that somebody made and eventually I categorize comments in three different levels okay so one is the trolls I love trolls they're funny you know they would say certain things I'm like dude that's funny as hell the way I pronounce certain words or the way I talk or the way I look or you know I have a weird look I have big nose big ears whatever my look is not like a regular look okay I I laugh at that and I'm having fun with you on that you know then there's the guys that uh no matter what I do I can't do anything wrong okay super fans I don't read a lot of those but I you have no idea how much I value them and I appreciate them I love you thank you fantastic without you no one knows what value tment is or pbd podcast is salute right and and and I appreciate it compliments all of that fantastic then there's the other guys that are uh hate they come from a place of hate and you can tell politically no matter what you say they're on the other side and then there's the best ones that actually give feedback when you get to the feedback and they say I've been listening to you for three and a half years I love what you talk about but I noticed today you were unfair and you allowed Adam to say something about Sarah hakabe Sanders that I just don't think that's appropriate for you to do and I was disappointed that you didn't correct them and guess what that person was right so on the next podcast I said hey let want to say this guys I'm not in the business of talking about how ugly somebody is or how someone looks we're not going to be doing that Adam moving forward I don't want you to say stuff like that uh we're going to get better and all of us going to okay great move on okay but then there's some people that every time you do something they want to say stuff that you walk on xos I don't do well with people that uh are part of walking on xl's community I don't even hear you I filter you out I'm not a walking on xl's guy so if you want me to be perfect I will listen to you this much if your standard is perfection you can persuade me this much if your standard is um coming from a reasonable place to want to give feedback and consider doing this I'm all yours what do you think we need to do it very interesting because when I came on your podcast now two and a half years ago you were you had the live comments up to sort of read the room and understand where maybe feedback that feedback is while you're live uh does that sort of help you engage with your audience uh is it trying to stay aligned with them rather than potentially risking upsetting them maybe no it's good you said that though so for I listen to it for a few different reasons when I'm doing a live I listen like today oh no oh my God like today the first five minutes are audio guy one of our guys added a new equipment without approving it with anybody so for the first five minutes we have Echo and I'm just kind of like WTF why do you not double check in QC with somebody else since when are we not a QC shop so and it's not breaking news yeah it's e so couple time we have 3,200 people waiting for in a room before we go live and 3,200 upset people are saying echo echo echo have to step out I give the question to Adam Vini and Tom I step out I go outside the now it's in the vault I don't I don't think you've been to the Vault so I go out to the Vault I go to them like what are we doing guys what was this all about so I listen to the comments sometimes for that but then I listen to the comments for people to disagree with me so maybe I need to go a little layer deeper on a question and point that I need to make and then I also like when they say stuff that's funny makes me laugh so highlighting funny also mes but uh that's interesting so looking for that extra perspective in that case do you prefer to be live so that you have that almost instantaneous feedback of oh I don't understand can you go deeper well live is scarier Right Live is scarier than pre-recorded because with live uh pre-recorded you can edit out the echo sound or you can edit out the light or you can edit out something fell guys can we cut that here let me say it again so when you were thinking about you know you can always do that pre can I ask the question one more time I want to ask the question one more time great hey can I start the answer again sure can't do that on a live live is pressure live is actual wartime live and you're a live guy and you were fire on live right when you were doing your numbers and all this stuff like I'm talking Co cuz that's when you came from 20,000 Subs to a million Subs boom blowing up right and it was the live component but live isn't for everybody MH you know and and here's what I'm I don't mean it in an arrogant way the number one guy who's a YouTuber doesn't do any live all pre-recorded interesting and he beats everybody do you think live is an advantage for you it is cuz I like live okay I like live live is not for everybody live is not for everybody because live is reaction live is pressure live is tension live is you know high level of criticism high level of risk that's life now another question on this yeah on some of your interviews it sometimes seems like your most uh or or the presenters uh maybe most extreme questions or commentary will come from other folks from your office and then you can react is that by design that what is that the question so so for example if you're interviewing somebody you have two more people with you uh sometimes maybe the more aggressive questions or commentary will come from other people not from you is that by Design at all I I you know it's interesting you say that zero okay that that's by Design because like you know if you think about the podcast I asked uh uh Anne couter one time she was so furious with me I said listen an you ever been married before I didn't know that she says no I said you know I'm getting a vibe that I don't think any man can please you and she says well that's a sexist question I don't think about it that way I know a lot of people that are hard to please I just didn't think she's easy to please when I had the Anthony Weiner on I don't know if you ever saw the Anthony Weiner one if you haven't seen that one that is like fireworks cou 100 million views short clips on Tik Tok Instagram Twitter picked up story reaction everybody it's literally him and I fighting for 45 minutes straight straight and he's a lawyer I'm not a lawyer that guy's a professional debater so I enjoy um confrontation I love it that's good and it's not to say that you're not aggressive and you don't ask pointy questions I definitely think you do I was just wondering if there was almost a strategy to like hey if we have maybe a more extreme idea that maybe you wouldn't necessarily no so let me tell you what I do miss I miss one1 cuz I love one1 oh really I love one1 interviews I mean are you kidding me like I I I've done you know we got vment to 5 million subscribers with me just doing one-onone interviews well and the board when you used to the explanations so I love that stuff the thing with the board is it took a long time it would take me two hours to write the stuff up cuz I was doing it with a marker so I'm like I don't have the bandwidth to do it anymore and I'd have to come on Saturday at 7:00 a.m.
to shoot it and write it and then we'd record it no but I love the oneone interview so even right now when I'm uh uh you know on the flight back I'm like we're going to be doing Tuesdays and Thursdays home team but I'm going to be doing a lot of one-on-one interviews this year because I love the one-on-one aspect of it wow that's amazing uh how do you balance the politics or do you not are you just going to be very transparent about your views and people either like it or they don't yeah I'm not I'm at this point I'm very comfortable with my politics uh and probably more than ever before there was a time I wasn't and I was worried about it and I was kind of like because you know I Mario had one job and Mario was right there and I would say Mario anytime I get too political and any one of my videos stop me wow so Mario would be like hey hey Pat that's politics that's not politics no no Pat that's politic tell me how that's politics Pat I'm I'm I'm just telling you here come watch it it's politics you're going to politics you told me God I can't believe you stopped me but you're right it is politics okay all right let's see what we can do let's you had a censor in the room yeah I did I really did though Mario would tell you cuz Mario was always back there telling me when I would go to politics eventually I'm like no I can't help myself you know if if if you know this is how I used to buy cars I used to buy cars by going and looking at a car and then I'd walk away I'm like okay then I go look back again two weeks later I still want it then I go back a month later dude I really want it then I go back three months later yeah I'm over it then I'm not buying it wow so I had like a 12 month rule before I bought something okay to see if I still liked it and loved it 6 to 12 months later if I didn't I didn't here's what I did with politics I'm like I think it's a phase I said I'm not going to talk politics for two three years if I'm still interested I'll I'll create content on politics 6 months 12 months 24 months 3 years four years 5 years 7 years I can't help myself I I am interested because I don't like manipulators and gamesmanship and I think I have a different kind of a voice that I give a perspective that the audience likes and it works and by the way when I started going into Political site do you know how many competitors and YouTube site privately this would always come back to me they would say Pat's about to fall he's making the biggest cardinal rule mistake you don't ever go from business to politics you're a number one channel on YouTube for entrepreneurship now you're going to go into talk about politics Pat's about to get killed watch what happens to we blew up yeah complete opposite I think your aggressiveness and and uh Candor in politics has absolutely contributed to what you all have done yeah it was a risk though you have to say it was a very big risk so it's kind of like again we're all case studies that's why you were so important you have no idea how closely I followed you no no I'm not when I say followed like past tense that I don't do today because you're not doing as much as you were doing before you were doing a lot right in in two years ago two and a half years ago and I'm sitting I'm like this guy is going to disrupt politics how many 25 30y olds are going to say I'm going to run for governor because of Kevin it was a very interesting because remember we still don't know how this tool is going to be used all we know is what we see today huh we still don't know how people going to use this tool so you you took it in a way where I was a f look at Javier mle yeah right look how many of the stuff he did with YouTube with his content so we seen more and more of that but uh I would have been very curious to see how high you would have gone I was hoping I'm like I want to see this guy on the Bas stage with Nome because it's disruption and I'm interested I love that the uh Javier Malay reference is that potentially I mean taking the chainsaw of the budget it it's hilarious it's great it's viral content is there a risk of being too extreme well yeah I mean socialism is Extreme too extreme communism is too extreme you know controlling uh uh uh the people force is too extreme using the the you know our justice system to control and eliminate opponents is too extreme but all that stuff is going on so would I rather have that extreme of controlling me or would I have the extreme of a Libertarian I choose the extreme of libertarian over the other side totally fair counter absolutely agree what advice would you give me I you know I I uh Graham Stefan and you right I look at you guys in a very interesting way because you're way ahead of me you're way ahead of me me I'm 45 you're 31 bro you have to realize like you're way ahead of me I'm not I'm not where you are and where Graham Stefan is I'm 45 so I found my voice and I'm confident lighting it up but at 31 I had even started a YouTube channel yet what are you talking about 31 nobody knew who I was the only people who knew who I was was insurance people I was famous in the insurance industry that means nothing right so at 31 years old where you're at and I watch gr I think both of you guys have a very different kind of a voice uh but you guys have one thing in common and that's the ability to reason which means if somebody can give you a good argument you'll eventually fight it in all different ways and the way you'll fight it is with research and then you're eventually going like that gu that guy's kind of right or you know what no he's not fully right I agree with them 70% but I disagree with them 30% and that's going to be my position cool that's great that's that's exciting part no my advice for you would be if you can if you can the edge I had Kevin is I got my vision at an early age and I was maniacally obsessed about this vision and there was rage fire passion excitement enthusiasm conviction in my belly for whatever reason I can describe it the only way I can describe it I fully believed that God put this in my heart for a reason so I trust being as as aggressive as I am cuz I think he wants me to do it now I could be wrong somebody could say this guy's delusional you think you have a calling and God's chosen you to do this not saying that I think he's got a lot of soldiers I think I'm just wanting to be one of his best flag carriers of this generation he's given me an incredible life he's had a lot of Grace on me he every day I go home I can't believe I'm living this life I'm like is this a movie no it's your real life okay cool people are interested in what I have to say who the hell am I for you to be interested in what I have to say this life has produced me to get to a point that other people are coming to ask me what I think about XYZ thank you what happened how did this happen obviously a lot of good people in your life maybe some people in your life that was put there to see what kind of a fight you got that turned me into who I am today but no from my perspective to you is dude if you can sit there choose your enemies wisely you get clear on your vision that's driven by purpose where there's fire in your belly um you'll know when that happens and it's a it's like a switch everything goes back to it the drive the urgency the clarity the Poise the peace of mind like you know you're living in the future truth the concept of a Future Truth a Visionary is always living in a future truth you know it's always a present lie to everybody but it's a future truth to you a Visionary is a artist for the first day but after year maybe he's making progress maybe three five years later oh he is really a Visionary so I'm a Future Truth guy uh I believe in that I've seen the movie already I've seen what's going to happen I know what's going to happen but I have to go validate that that is really the Future Truth and that Parts on me very strong conviction you mentioned you're an atheist but you're also very spiritual is this just the acceptance of not choosing a religion but expecting or believing there's a higher power I was an atheist till 25 at 25 I became a Christian but I was an atheist till 25 and at 25 years old I had a moment where I'm like yeah no um there's no way in the world I'm going to live this life with you know just doing it myself yeah so you know atheist for the first 25 years of my life and then I became a Christian and there were certain events that happened in my life and um unique moments and that's when I said no I'm see and this is my perspective okay who knows for a fact if there's a God or if there's not a God for a fact who knows nobody knows how many books do I need to read for me to know 100% if there is or there isn't you can read every single book in the world you're still not going to be 100% is that fair to say absolutely we can read every single book in the world we're not going to know and I'm talking every book in the world you're still not going to know we can put neurolink in your brain we can put the best supplements in you it doesn't matter you're never going to know 100% so faith is really a risk now is it good to be an educated risk sure how do you create an educated Risk by reading some book and using some guys that are former mathematicians and seeing the argument they made and going and reading maybe some CS Lewis maybe some Lee stroble maybe some this it's like okay this the direction I'm going to go but the other part of it is the following if your vision is Big the bigger the vision the more help you need the bigger div Vision the smarter people you need around you the bigger division the more loyal people you need around you that actually believe in your cause like he joined your Camp when you were running for a governor you need True Believers around you because they're not here because they're going to be rich with you they're here because they fully believe in you and hopefully they'll make a lot of money as well and good things will happen to them as well but the the vision part if it's massive you're going to need a higher power to be with you because there's going to be moments where you can't do it by yourself and nobody around you that can help you you're going to need some kind of a supernatural Miracle support and there isn't any employee you can hire for all the money in the world to make those things happen you need somebody to have your back again My Views when did you have your first child uh I was uh so 2012 okay was born in February I'm 78 so 33 okay so it wasn't children that had an impact on you choosing religious no okay no to me no not at all and one of the things that uh I've heard you talk about is you require your children to read books to earn can you tell me about that a little bit maybe even just parenting advice I just had twin baby girls and we've got more coming on the way um yeah congratulations so awesome right Life Changes like instantly when I it it's the most beautiful thing in the world I love it I listen if I had a my way I have 20 kids I love kids and I love all of it like there's part of kids that's annoying right you know you're sleeping you're hoping Sunday morning you're going to get at least 78 hours of sleep and Sunday morning at 5:00 they come in they're breathing right in front of your face Dad I can't find my iPad I'm like oh my God buddy just leave it alone right and so there's there you know they're sick and you're like okay so we go on a Christmas trip and you're an aspen and one kid is sick then okay he's getting sick tomorrow she's getting sick the next day then she's getting sick then it's me then it's the wife then it's Grand let's go with the cycle 6 weeks of people being sick right there's a lot of annoying things about having kids a lot of them but as long as that list is the list of having the kids the benefits of it is Thousands it's it's unlimited those so many benefits that brings to you no so look raising kids what do kids need my dad would always say love inst structure love inst structure love inst structure when I was a kid my dad once told me he says look I'm being hard on you and I'm being tough on you and I'm having high standards with you because one day I'm hoping that you and I can be friends for the rest of our lives today I'm Your Leader I'm your father but I want you to be my friend one day and it's going to take a lot of work for that to happen man we are best friends I love my dad my dad and I were roommates when I was building my insurance company for many years literally is he local here oh he lives with me in my house he's a yeah my house is 02 miles away from right here this is a I love hearing what you just said yeah yeah so to me and and and he is like you you know this the only place I moved into when I lived in Texas I would fly him out once a month but when I moved to Florida I said I'm not flying you out you have to move here and live with us so now he lives with us it's awesome he's great he's happy he's enjoying himself reading books you know hey Dad can I get this how many have you read I haven't read any books Let's negotiate what do you think how many books you think it takes to get this can we say five I said you think this is a five book no way bro this is at least a 12 13 book Dad this is not 12 or 13 okay so what do you want to do how about seven or eight eight it is deal boom and we negotiate okay and I have to do 20 pages every day it doesn't matter if we're in Christmas Vacation they they have zero break as long as I'm around and one day here's a hard part about setting the standard this is the real standard um so I set the standard four years ago when my oldest was seven H and I come home to Jen and my nanny I said okay everybody everybody David when they turn 7 years old they have to read 6 years old they have to read 20 pages every day babe what are you talking about that's a little extreme here we go again another extreme thing and da d d I said babe I don't ask you for a lot of things but I'm telling you they're going to read 20 pages every day who else does this I'm a beted David they're bed Davids I'm not compromising they're going to read this Melva the kids cannot turn on the TV until they read 20 pages every day okay Daddy she always calls me Daddy no problem the lady's almost 7 years old but she's always called me Daddy Okay cool so I go to work come back first day I come home they're watching TV babe Mela Pap okay Melva at the time wanted one of these TVs you know these weird looking TVs I don't know why but she wanted one of these TV so I bought that TV and I put her in her bedroom she's very happy I come in the next day and I see them seeing me com in and they run and they grab a book and they turn off the TV oh my God so I had just bought him an Xbox two weeks prior to that I come inside and I'm like so were you guys watching TV Dylan's like yes we were watching TV I appreciate you Dilly it's okay here's what's going to happen grab the Xbox what are we doing with the Xbox grab it with you grab it we go in the trash throw in the trash wow babe what are you doing babee it's going in the trash threw in the trash through all the games joysticks all in the trash I said Melva I'm coming to grab your TV next no Daddy please no Daddy I said no Melva you don't respect my standard you asked me for the TV I got you the TV I'm asking you these are my kids in 25 years no one's going to ask which Nanny raised these kids they're going to say who was their father I'm responsible for these guys become a leaders not you you're helping me and I appreciate you but I need you to understand this is my standard and I don't want you to compromise it am I clear am I clear kids babe am I clear I got you crystal clear next day till today never had an issue it became a stand became a standard but the but the point the moral Dory that I'm G somebody's going to watch and say what an I love this I could never be with a guy like you I would never be with you I mean you like you you could never keep a guy like me let alone be with a guy like me it's not this is not about some woman thing just because you're hot it's like oh I can get any man you want maybe you can get any man you want but you can't keep any man you want keeping is the the job it's not about getting it getting it is anything you know but but so the standard to me is critical I think we have such low standards today that everybody's trying to please their kids I want my kids to like me no one gives a you want your kids to like you when they're 25 they want to come back and see you they're independent leaders so that that's the part where if you try to set a standard with your kids you also need everyone around you to be bought in so you're not only selling to your kids you have to sell to your wife you have to sell your mom your grandpa if they're like the ones that are taking care of the kids or nanny or whoever it is you have to sell them and they have to make sure you're serious about it because if you're full of they're not going to continue with the standard it'll be a one month thing one week thing and then boom it's gone you started this at them being seven this happened during covid So Co is when I can tell you exactly what month it started years March of 2020 is when I started what's March of 20 yeah okay so he was s years old yeah because the way I had it it was 25 laps of swimming every day it was 52 basketball shot makes every day it was 20 pages to read every day and it was one hour of documentary every day now all of those things disappeared because school was shut down so everybody I'm the the teacher yeah so I'm essentially kind of creating that as a standard and I would choose the documentaries that they would have to go but what did stickan from then is the 20 pages every day so but at what age would you start that 6 years old I would start and by the way you know it's 6 years old they're not reading like Harry Potter T books right you know I love who HQ books for the most part like we have 600 whq books in in our house I love HQ books I read HQ books cuz they're fantastic I don't know if you're familiar with these HQ these are small you know how you go and buy like 12 books that are 70 pages with pictures and all it's phenomenal right how they have this there's a lot of good books like that out there but I start seven years old with HQ books and then at around nine eight or nine years old I'm going to give you your first big book to read and at around nine 10 years old you're going to get business books to read and you know mindset books to read always physical I'm physical they've never read on Kindle nice what you T touched on the woman in your life how do you balance that with social media uh desire how do you how do you balance it all desire like other women whatever yeah yeah so that's a great question so let's process that so my wife and I we met June of o2 I was with another girl at the time I'm in the bathroom and my friend Fernando lasso says hey there's girl in the training room uh Pocahontas is here said Pocahontas why Pocahontas and I go in there and I see her she's talking to my ex-girlfriend and they're talking to each other my girlfriend introduced me to my wife she say hey babe here's a girl she just got started her name is Jennifer hi Jennifer how are you her hair was all the way down to her lower back five and a half years later was the first time we were both single so we started dating December of 2007 we start dating December 29th we go on our first date uh pfj M and then a year and a half later we got married and then boom obviously we got SE four kids today uh congratulations thank you yeah so I've intentionally always put her office next to mine we've always worked together wow my office is here her office is here like right now if you go into the building her office right next to mine so I see her every day when I go to work when I'm on the road traveling um I travel with two other men intentionally I travel with two other men when you travel by yourself you'll be be tempted to do something stupid okay because men have a history and track record of doing that and I'm just like any other man I have desires as well I see beautiful women I look at I'm like oh my God this girl's gorgeous just like any other guy does uh and I know I have to do my best to put myself in situations where I decrease the chances of doing something dumb and stupid right you have to be able to do that and that's not easy to do and the bigger you get the more Temptation you're going to have and it's more quality temp and it's more famous Temptation and they're more direct about it they're just coming to you and it's no filters uh and so you have to be aware of that you know these opportunities are going to come and there's you're going to be a Target and it's going to be constant but uh yeah I mean again if you think you're bulletproof 100% you know there's no way in the world you're probably going to be the one that's going to be more likely of doing stupid things but if you see that hey I can make a stupid decision what can I do to decrease my chances then you're playing defense which you're being proactive about it but that that's what I've done about my wife and I we have dinner every Saturday night uh Sundays is my family's day you know we haded a tradition summer and Christmas what we do Christmas this Christmas was incredible we're at Aspen we got this house I don't know 50 acre 20,000 foot house nine bedrooms we're having a blast kids are having a blast we're outside swimming pool years coming ski and all the stuff summertime we go to all over the place you know and then we also do our own individual trips so there's family trips summer and Christmas and then there's our own individual trips that we go to Friday night dinner at the house Saturday night dinner with the family Sunday church in the morning and then we'll do what we do throughout the time right now I'm supposed to go pick up Dylan uh for soccer but you know I know you and I were trying to do this so and I just landed right now from Vegas I was in LA yesterday and then I came here but what were you doing there uh Vegas yeah Vegas I had a uh uh event for one of our guys George po had an event with a thousand people that was speaking at that event with VI and I had a very important meeting with Dana White we had a great time and then in La I had a meeting with heavy duty manager from one of the biggest agencies and two-hour conversation there then we talked to a massive production company that did a movie last year that did a qut of a billion dollars that we may partner with in a uh uh you know strategic partner type and then I was on Bill Maher and then I had a three-hour dinner with my good friend Stephen A Smith which I like that guy a lot a lot and and he's another guy that's feisty fire debate all the just like people like that see so you have a little bit going on it sounds like just a little bit it's constant right now how do you see your children during the week or is it mostly weekends oh I I um no I see them like I If Dylan's got practice I go pick him up they s he's Dylan's right now doing so many different sporting things and I'll go pick him up late 8:30 so I'll stay with him till 9:00 cuz he likes to go until the lights come off so I'll be at the field with him so I'll go watch him play and then pick him up come back uh but I'm working every day from morning till night you know I'm a probably 8 to seven8 to eight guy unless if I'm on the road if I'm on the road and I'm doing meetings the other day we had a meeting here with a guy seet executive we're trying to recruit a chro on the HR side and this guy was a beast working at Chevron before and at Uber for so we had an interview process it was number four uh number three interview the third interview was here with all the executives he had to give a 10-page slide presentation he gave right there the potential employee had to the potential employee and on Monday we had a dinner at the house uh we don't hire SE sues until we meet your wife or husband so he came to the house with his wife and all our Executives came with their wives and we broke bread and we got to know the wife and we said what questions do you have for us this is what we're all about anything you're concerned about what do you think about this and then I brought up my objections about whether this going to work or not and then when she leaves we make a decision what was the score what do you think you think it's going to work out and then boom he accepted the offer and I think he starts February 12 but we're we're on a we're in a hunt right now to do something uh pursuing our vision so at a phase like this um it's a very exciting phase but the kid part you have to have people around you that you trust that know you value the time with your kids that find ways to create time with your kids that's their job as well when you're running hey Pat we can't do this right now because Pat's got to go pick up this hey we can't do this right now because Pat's got family stuff over here we can't do this right now boom so you how people say I'm busy you know they're say oh I'm so busy I'm so busy and then I used to say I'm so busy and I'm like now I'm really busy oh I'm so busy I'm really busy now so I'm really really busy right now which means I need more help and support around me ah okay okay tell us about hiring you're obviously known for entrepreneurship so how do you handle hiring uh or how what advice would you give I mean I just heard obviously your SE example yeah so it's so interesting you say this I've been obsessed with studying HR okay first Vault conference that we had my keynote speaker was Patty McCord you know who Patty McCord is the chief HR officer of Netflix okay so she wrote a book uh it's not called impossible I don't know she wrote a book about HR everybody who wants to know about HR go read her book just type it Patty mcord go book phenomenal book it's not impossible but it's a word like that so she comes in and she tells me how they recruited people at Netflix how one day at Netflix they came clear with their values and principles they created 121 page PowerPoint slide that I don't know if you guys have seen this or not it's got 25 million views how many PowerPoints have 25 million views Netflix's values and principles has nearly 25 plus million views okay and what do they talk about in there this is who we are d d by the time you're done reading you're like I want to apply to work at Netflix that's how they did it right okay so I've been on a mission to learn a little bit more about how uh HR works and then eventually uh I sit down with this guy that we're doing the interview and I said so tell me about Chevron what's Chevron like when he worked there he says oh Chevron it's a very familyfriendly company I said Chevron I wouldn't expect that would you have expect I wouldn't have expected that oh chevron's a very familyfriendly company tell me why you know what the average you know lifespan of an employee is at Chevron how many 25 years what 25 years what does Chevron do chevron likes to move people Chevron likes to get you to work in this market and then this and they move you to South Africa and then they move you to this and then they move you in different kind of job responsibilities so you're getting more versatile I said but why do people stick around that long oh their Pension Plan they're one of the only companies that still has an incredible pension plan as there is their Pension Plan like a military type what do you mean in a military if you're in there for 20 years they get 50% of your rre your salary 25 years 75% 30 years 100% so if I'm making 8 Grand a month and I give 30 years for the rest of my life the military is going to pay me 8 Grand a month for the rest of my life yes sick I'll give you 30 years maybe I'm at 26 I'll go four more years to go from 75 to 100 yes that's exactly an element of how Chevron does it so I sat there like what if I did that about Val tainment what if I say something you give me this much I'll give you this much you give me 20 years I'll give you 50% of your salary for the rest of your life what does that look like can we do that can we afford to do that so now you're thinking anyways finally sitting interviewing this I'm like give me Uber's HR structure what it's like first I have the chro then they got this and they got this this this this that this department has this many employees that department has this many employees it's 445 employees on Talent acquisition it's 500 of which 250 is full-time 250 is independent contractor I'm getting all this info that's that's in there eventually with all this inventory we finally came up with a system the number one thing with hiring Talent is attracting attracting most people don't attract to attract you have to be known you attracted him you don't recruit him you attracted him first he came to you right and he didn't come to you because he's like I want to help you why cuz you're attractive I'm going to come and be attracted to your vision and your cause I'll help you out people say I want to go work for Facebook I'm attract man what an attractive opportunity to be a part of you know I want to go work with the Milwaukee Bucks what an attractive guy jannis is I want to work I think this guy's going places so if you're lucky number one is attract then you recruit them okay then you engage them this is where the ball is drop we'll come back to engage here in a minute so attract recruit engage retain then you lead build Drive duplicate okay lead Drive build build duplicate those four things but let's go to engage so what is engage onboarding too many times somebody hires somebody they don't really know what they want them to do they haven't taken the time to written write out exactly what they want that person's job description to be sure I want you to do XYZ then I want you to do this I want you to do this on Monday then I want you to do this on okay great then they don't bring them to an environment that they don't know anybody so they're not getting acclimated with other people so imagine typically when we go to a place and we don't know anybody who do we talk to to nobody right cuz we're like dude I'm not comfortable talking to anybody so somebody that's on boarding hey guys this is Johnny here Johnny's going to be helping us with this he's working with Kevin hey Larry hey meet Johnny Johnny's gonna be doing this he's gonna be working with Kevin his background is this hey Jackie hey Billy hey guys me hey hey hey what's up Johnny what's up and it's kind of like oh what's oh what really you want there yeah me too no yeah crazy you went there I went to that college now they're going to do lunch together now there's some kind of an affinity and some kind of a relationship being built and then followup engagement so how is that going on did you say over Zoom anything that maybe right anything maybe to engage him Zoom obviously it's going to it's a different kind of an environment but engage is key the more we engage the new recruit manage expectation onboard them properly tell them the step-by-step process on how we do certain things and procedures within the company that increases the likelihood of you being able to retain them how you engaging that again how did you do that when you were starting out very hard because nobody knows who we are so you don't attract and you also don't know what you want everybody to do yet that's right you're you're right but so so the the first time I hired a SE with executive I'm like dude I have no clue what I tell this guy all right so how what' you do today uh oh okay oh you know it's like and you it was almost scary when you hired the first executive cuz this person's got a nice degree worked at a $400 billion company you know it's like it's intimidating and then you hire your second third fourth fifth and you screw up most of the time you screw up the first 100% of seite Executives you hire I got lucky uh with the second one he stayed with me for 10 years he ended up having a multi- figure exit when we sold the company very good situation for him so he was very happy that's the benefit of coming early right you get Equity of additional ancillary benefits that comes to you but yeah you don't know but here's also the thing when you bring somebody in and they say no to you and you're small and they're fully qualified they also know you don't know everything and they also know they're going to come and show to you results very quickly because they know how they can help you out that's what makes them a leader right they're going to come in they're gon to say I just want to let you know I talk to everybody on the team I found out certain things here's a good bat and the Ugly I think this person we need to fire I think this person we need to retain and I got to work him but I think these two people we got to give them a race because we can't afford to lose these two people that's a leader when they come in and do something like that and then uh a couple other things I know it's not part of my responsibilities I went into to the other department because I think there's some kind of a connection between my department and theirs I met with the heads of all those departments and those departments I took all of them to lunch like this guy's a leader that's what leaders do you have to tell them to do that kind of stuff okay and FYI one thing I did I want to looked at our website I found 17 mistakes don't worry about it I've already talked to Larry Larry's already addressed 16 the last one we need to do graphic design so we're working on that mockup I'll show you five options to see which one you like I think one of the pictures I saw there from used from four years ago I don't think it's a bad idea for you to do new photo shoot maybe whenever you're ready in the next two to four weeks like you see what this person's doing this is what a great executive does they play often so that's that part with hir ring but when you're smaller which one of those matters the most selling the dream you have to sell the dream because when you're small and nobody knows who the hell you are why am I joining your company you got to S me a dream let me tell you what the vision is here's how we got started one day I was doing this this is what hit me I saw what this company was doing I read this book called Blue Ocean strategy we felt like we can do it better in this way and here's what we're going to be one day and this is the friendship and that's why I think if you get involved with us and if this works out we can potentially do this one day you're selling the dream as you get bigger the less you have to sell the dream because it's already obvious everybody knows right so good question because there timing on when you recruit them see I like what you just mentioned about how we can improve something it's all about providing value as a business a lot of folks and quite frankly media today see capitalism as greedy or taking versus spreading what's your response to okay so elon's worth what $250 billion yeah and his daughter well still daughter anyway one I think she's trans anyway but she disowned him because elon's the greedy capitalist okay and by the way he says he says that's the toughest thing he says nothing hurts me more than when I think about my daughter okay that brings him a lot of pain but let's talk about Elan okay $250 billion of the $250 billion that he's got how much of it of the company is not his net worth so what's Tesla worth what's SpaceX worth what are all these companies worth what's X worth he lost $30 billion on X already cuz he bought it for $44 it's only an1 billion company so he lost 33 billion there but the reality of it is he doesn't Own 100% of Tesla right he owns a percentage of Tesla 15 or something on he owns 15 so if he owns 15% of Tesla and let's just say that's $150 billion dollar to his net worth where's the other 850 other people that became millionaires decamillionaires hecta millionaires and billionaires because of an operator getting to work how many Teslas are out there how many jobs are that create how many you know unique jobs created for somebody that's working on the semiconductor chip that's not even here in the in Taiwan do you know how many International jobs this capitalist has created again go back to thinking about hero making machine Bernie Sanders who is a Socialist Communist on his honeymoon he decides to go to USSR Soviet Union on his honeymoon he's a true communist him and his wife go there and Bernie Sanders the level of hypocrisy with people on the other side gets up there and talk about all these Millionaires and billionaires Millionaires and billionaires we got to tax these Millionaires and billionaires and he becomes a millionaire and you see the video the year he becomes a millionaire we need to start taxing these billionaires and billionaires how come you don't say millionaire anymore oh oh because you're a millionaire now oh here's another one for you um Sanders wife I think her name is Jane she got $116,000 advance on a book uh 7 years ago the publisher still doesn't have a book how many Publishers give $106,000 to a writer how long you think they expect to get a book a year two years three years seven years they still don't have a book no book why don't you give the money back to the publisher they're such socialist and communist why keep the money you haven't delivered on a product here's another one for you how about when Bernie Sanders was bitching about Amazon Walmart going to minimum wage of 15 bucks and he gets caught that he was paying his employees 13 bucks and he had to you really like Bernie no by the way here's the thing I like Bernie more than Hillary let me tell you why the emails let me tell you why the reason why I like Bernie more than Hillary is I actually think Bernie believes in what he talks about oh I don't think Hillary does I think Hillary will say anything to get elected I don't think Hillary is a I think Hillary is a staunch capitalist she's a center right person but she runs as a Democrat because that's the party that she can get the votes from and she'll say anything and everything to get elected right but like Nikki Haley Nikki Haley will say anything to get elected Nikki Haley 70% of the people that voted for her in New Hampshire weren't Republicans and Trump 70% of the people that voted for him in New Hampshire were Republicans so Nikki Haley Democrats like Nikki Haley you know so they'll support her in a way because you know they kind of don't want the other guy but yeah socialism communism so for capitalism we can bash you know capitalist all we want but they're results driven California Nome oh he's a winner oh he's a politician Bill marah said this oh he's just a winner I said based on what you have any data oh he's a winner based on what oh shut up I'm just saying he's a winner that's it so he's a winner do you want to do you want to talk about data I so let me ask you this question in the history of California been around since 1851 let's rank the top fif top five worst people that negative negatively impacted the state of California I said I don't know where Nome ranks whether he's number one or not but he's one of the five worst people that hurt the state of California why 1851 till covid hitting the next year every year the state has lost people why why do you lose people when a company loses employees they say oh such and such Jeff Bezos just lost six of his Executives he must be a tyrant of a CEO that's what he is but no you know Nome 350,000 net migration Nega 50 wor state of people leaving to another state oh they're leaving because they're greedy capitalists don't want to pay they're avoiding taxes oh really so what a great spin job you're doing maybe it's because he sucks as a governor maybe it's because homelessness 46 out of 10,000 people in the state of California or homeless and it's climbing why people are sick of it taxes High why you had all this money you spent how why covid people left you why you paid people in your state for people to report others if they were going to work and they were non-essential and there was some kind of I think via gr or one of the Mayors was paying $200 if he can snitch on somebody what kind of a state are you building so numbers will say that guy's not a good Governor now numbers will say the San is during Florida number one net migration number two is Texas number three is Tennessee 49 is New York 48 I believe is Illinois why it's results right so so the thing with capitalism is you can actually say this guy's a good capitalist this guy sucks because it's data driven politics it's because politics is about who can do a better job spinning ah inter who can do a better job gaming yeah you had very strong resentment for the idea that Hillary would say something that she doesn't believe in to get vot that was clearly more disgusting to you than Bernie being hypocritical am I clear about that of course by the way uh uh AOC okay AOC to me is I actually think she believes what she talks about and she's a fighter you got to respect that okay AOC is now she's going to get older and maybe some of the policies going to change but I think Nikki Haley she'll say anything to get elected anything to raise money Hillary Clinton anything Nome anything by the way this isn't a left thing this is this is a quality of a man that's willing to say anything to get elected so Mitt Romney second debate with Obama he's ahead he challenged M Benghazi he's supposed to be president his campaign people tell him hey people don't like it when you called the president out the way you did you're losing votes with single woman be a little bit more gentle on the third debate he's simple and easy going on third debate because he wants to win single women that like salad okay and what happens Romney will never in the history books be known as a president cuz he was listening to some campaign guy telling him what to say what do you believe in get up there and fight the fight with Benghazi they made a mistake say it again no you got timid you conformed to some consultant that told you what to say you screwed up you deserve everything that you got for not being a president you will never be known as a president because you listen to a consultant that try to get you to please an audience and you try to be like like everybody else you lost the other guy who talks as a president you'll never be a president same with Hillary unfortunately again my opinion somebody can debate it break it down this guy has no clue what he's talking about this is my opinion you've mentioned D santis is a big reason why you your family your businesses moved to Florida what exactly about DeSantis Drew you I think he uh uh defense uh free market capitalists job creators I think during covid new shut down Disneyland the Santas kept Disney World open and the businesses around Disney World kept thriving and they were making money because a lot of Orlando's small businesses made money based on the tourists coming to Disney World that's a big business there so imagine a local restaurants or additional things that people want to do around Disney World hotels all that stuff you shut down Disney World hotels are getting hurt everybody's getting hurt theaters are getting hurt so case study again new some case study Disneyland Florida case study Disney World he shut it down 78,000 jobs or whatever the number was here the santis kept it open great yeah hey all these Republicans are bad people they suck black lives matter where the NBA BLM black lives matter uh Governor Nome is a real great Governor I'm sorry uh Adam Silver and and LeBron James and and NBA where did you guys host your uh playoffs oh uh Orlando Florida oh oh wow respect because Florida's a free state brilliant huh UFC Jacksonville you know Califoria hey data data data data data data you kidding me like you know how many people move to the state this is how much taxes we pay state you pay 133 I don't know what the numbers on how you doing I'm sure you got good account but you pay a lot this is it for us zero right I was in Nevada Yesterday by the way they're starting to be very competitive they're being very very competitive right on who they're attracting what's going on Dana White swears by uh Nevada and Las Vegas he says this is my town this is my state he swears by it right and people are moving Mark Walberg moved there bunch of people are moving there but yeah again data driven number one homelessness over there okay I mean there's so many different things I can tell you but uh yeah the santis provided the lifestyle that I wanted to have and that's what we ended up Florida if it was about taxes why not Puerto Rico you could have been at 4% not the best education for my kids uh not the best lifestyle again you considered it I did because they have the 420 rule right you know 4% over 20 years and all that stuff and a lot I think Logan Paula is over there I think you know shiff is over there gamon I think is quite a lot of people are are over there but I'm married with young kids and when you're married with young kids you make different kind of decisions than when you are not married and maybe you don't have young kids maybe you are married and your kids are older I'm married if I was 62 years old or 58 years old and my kids are all grown above 25 years old I would consider Puerto Rico but I'm also an operator what I mean by an operator is I work every day and I'm coming to an office with people that I want to work and build with and Florida is a perfect place for me to be because New York 3 hours boom boom I'm in a good place Market's good lifestyle is good I enjoy this place Puerto Rico gets hit by a hurricane every two years and it's not a pretty one when it hits it Hurricane Jose destroyed Puerto Rico the infrastructure is much weaker than what you have in Florida to withstand the hurricane we have we have 700 insurance agents and PHP in Puerto Rico we we know Puerto Rico law pretty closely our lawyers and our accountants do and we have a lot of offices in Puerto Rico but it's a different kind of an infrastructure do you ever mov to California no wow even if it was Zero tax today yeah no I like it here I'm good here I like it here I by the way and I'm not trying to be condescending I love California I'm not sitting here playing you know I'm a I'm a la kid man I'm a Tupac guy I'm a to Live and Die in LA that was my song and you know I'm a guy that too short you know music uh uh rap and Forte San Francisco I'm e NWA Ice Cube Snoop I'm I'm I'm that guy I'm I'm a DieHard Laker Kobe guy first time I didn't root for the Lakers was a LeBron moved to the Lakers but I'm all La I just think they screwed up and I know a lot of times people are like hey do you have any what if you come to LA and you run and you do Governor St I'm good I'm happy where I'm at right now I think I think uh California is eventually going to have somebody like yourself that I think is going to run and win and they're going to turn things around but till then they have to find the right person to run cuz Larry Elder couldn't do it um they didn't support him it's going to be an interesting cat to be able to pull it off yeah did uh Des santis go too far against Disney did he make a mistake with with the anti-woke movement is that what sandbagged his campaign I I don't know I think the Santos made a few mistakes but you know every time you play it's easy to always say the mistakes that the individual made right so and everybody does it to us as well the mistakes you made so I was on a a Twitter space the other day x space the other day and they were asking me questions that's when the Santa suspended his campaign and he stepped out and endorsed Trump and you know what do you think about this I said look let's just face it for about a week that the santis camp is going to be sour upset annoyed and we can't be sitting there saying I told you so I told you this I told you that like kind of being an about it like you're team one congrats bro good for you you know and you move on right but there's a few things when I had him on the podcast and we were having a conversation together one of the things that was very interesting uh I think his marketing campaign sucked mhm I think there team thought Trump was going to be dropping out because and I think this is the big one Kevin I think their team thought he was going to drop out and when he was going to drop out he would have came in and defended Trump and Maga would have gone behind him I think that's what he thought and then more and more they waited they realized that's not happening so now what do we do you have to go against Trump and they kind of when when I communicated with their media team you know how they talk to you they talk to you as if he was already the president oh wow attractive that's a little arrogant eh oh it's so unattractive so unattractive and they got more and more humble by the month and the and the more less they were ranking the more humble and easier they were to deal with so unattractive when they had the money um and they had the success and then just kind of a little bit pompous and then the other thing is when I asked him a question I said so when you decided to run for president did you ever call Trump why would I uh like what do you mean why would you that that guy helped you become a governor you think you would have won without him I still would have won you won by 34,000 votes you wouldn't have won you wouldn't have won the truth you know it when you say you would have won you would have never won without him the first time second time around one and a half million you won first time around 34,000 he helped you win wow that guy was your flag car but you don't want to give him credit it's a little bit unattractive so I said you know in my mind if he would have called president and gone to Mar Lago and met with him and say hey I want to run okay are you okay with that and I believe President Trump would have said I think you got to do what you need to do but uh I value loyalty so you can run but be respectful and let's see what happens later on in the future and if I'm the candidate and I got a big lead ahead of you I expect you to support me and drop out I think Trump would have said something like that so to not have that conversation and that meeting you know what that told me that told me you don't have diplomacy because if you're having issues with Putin and all these guys you're not going to go meet with them first thing you need to do is hey I'm flying out to Russia I want to have a meeting with you tomorrow hey zalinsky let's have a meeting with me you and Putin in XYZ right hey you know uh you know G we're going to have a meeting that's how Trump is and he's willing to have that meeting Reagan was like that as well a lot of these other guys were like that as well isn't that important being in person with people I think it is yeah I think it is that's why I'm not a work from home company we're not we like people to be at the office what do you say when people say oh but you're not going to hire the best talent and you're not going to get people aren't going to work for you okay I say you're wrong and let's see what happens if you think you're right good for you but I I think you know I said this one time and I said so for those you guys that work from home uh um couple of them were single I said you ever go on a date yeah I said how much more ambitious will you be when you're on a date if you're at a physical restaurant with the girl sitting across from you on a date or if you're having a glass of wine and so is she but you're on a zoom oh I said I want you to think about this if you're at a restaurant you know if you say the right words maybe she goes home with you yeah but if you're on a zoom you don't give a she's not going home with you anyways no chance so you're not going to put the effort that you would if you were face to face wow what a the reality of it right is Trump going to win oh this is politics man this is this is a very dirty game and this is this is going to come down to the wire I think Biden is going to stay Ste down at the DNC oh wow uh have you have you looked at the Vegas odds have you seen what's happened the last few days no getting priced in or what repl no no Nome was in the top four always but you know who's number three today Phillips Michelle Obama's number three today wow what does Vegas know that you and I don't know why why does she go from 100 to1 to 11 to1 Michelle Obama Vegas odds is 11 to1 right now from 100 to1 you think Vegas is in the business of losing money no what does Vegas know so number one right now is Trump one to one meaning you bet 10 grand you make 10 grand right right Biden had things like two to one or something like that you know so he's still second but number three is officially Michelle Obama number four is Nikki Haley number five is Nome see that's so interesting I when I met with uh George gamon boy I don't even remember where were we uh anyway I just met with uh George gamon and oh he a Texas in Dallas and uh I asked him hey the yield curve inverted in in like uh what was it August of 2019 and I'm like come on how could that have predicted covid that couldn't have predicted the recession he says it did and I thought this was the most interesting thing I really respect George Kevin he said Kevin if indeed Co leaked from a lab which we think it did then those scientists called people and those people made bets and the inverted yield curve was our insight into those bets being made the betting Market was right and predicted covid wow by the way that's why you got to watch Vegas you got to pay very close attention to Vegas it blew my mind I was like there's no way crazy we should go do some boots on the ground research soon in Vegas yeah yeah yeah I you're going to say Wuhan oh my gosh okay the the last topic that I have um thank you for your time by the way genz people are very discouraged that they're never going to get into Home Ownership that they're not going to be able to make money or start a business that they may as well just give up what are you gonna say to your children gen Z that's funny you know gen Z is more likely to be part of lgbtq than Republican did you see that stat that came in today wait wait wait more likely to be either lesbian gay transgender than than Republican oh my God it's comedy for that's supposed to be 50/50 but you're comparing like what maybe a 10% to it's not supposed to be 5050 it's supposed to be dramatically like you know a chance of being a no Dem versus Republican 50 but the other would be like 10% versus a 50% off like 1090 this is not even political that's like the the lgbtq they're more likely to be lgbtq than to be a republican wow gen Z right now 40% of them 39% of according to an article that came out today turn down promotions because they value Harmony and balance more than they do money and advancement in life gen Z they're so confused today and it's totally fine it's totally normal here's what happens with life that all of us went through when I was 21 years old I'm clubbing six days a week in La I'm going to sadle Ranch on whatever the night it was I would go to you know Miyagi I would go to Dublin's I would go to Palace I would go to Garden of Eden I would go to uh century Club I would go to all these crazy places same night of course same night yeah but no I was out running six days a week so guess what I'm living for myself sleeping in relaxing kicking back drinking working out girls left and right no care for anything in the world right and I valued you know balance in life and who wants to do this and this and that okay totally get it then there's three things that you have an edge on in life you're going to change gen Z but you're going to change because of one of three reasons and here's how life Works you're either going to change because of intentionally you're going to choose to change and not fall for the BS that everybody else is falling for the Trap of saying oh I value Harmony and I don't care about all the money and all this okay okay keep saying the stuff you're were saying if you choose to intentionally change you got an edge a lot of times people you know wait till their dad dies and then they say I love you a lot of times people you know get their act together and stop doing drugs and alcohol because their girlfriend and the love of their lives or their wife left them and then they change they don't change intentionally the people that went at the highest level choose to change that's intentional second one is accidental change what's accidental change accidental change is I all of a sudden get a job with you and I'm around you accidentally all of you are talking about not eating you know sugar none of you guys drink soda so I'm like okay like for example I have haven't had a single Coke Zero or Coke or any kind of soda since since uh July of 2019 why because I'm having lunch with David Hayes and Ian Benedict Ian Benedict looks like freaking Brad Pit good-looking guy and David Hayes is a awesome guy both of them are great guys one's my CFO one's my CIO and Ian Benedict I say Ian I noticed you just drink water you don't drink soda no I don't drink soda really yeah I haven't drank soda for a long time I said how long said 7 years so huh okay I'm not going to drink soda for a week so here you can take this Coke Zero I set it aside that's the last time I drank soda why because of I that's accidental that wasn't intentional that was accidental people around me so you have a benefit by the people you're around and then the last one is force unfortunately many of these genz people are going to be changing by force uh and force sucks because Force One day they're going to wake up and they're going to realize the person that works from the office gets a promotion and you don't they're going to realize the person that is reliable shows up on time works hard you know adds additional skills gets a promotion and you don't you you show up late you blame you keep quitting jobs blaming your boss you've changed six jobs in the last two years you're not reliable you're not Dependable you're the biggest complaining bitching you want everybody to give you something you're entitled and eventually you will be forced to change the forc community always have the worst life they always have the worst life because nothing great happens in life by you being the person that's forced to change the best life are typically the people that intentionally choose to change or accidental the force Community expect a very difficult life for many many years to come has entitlement gotten worse of course it has because again but going back to the same thing I said at the beginning hero making machine the reason why J is doing what they're doing is because that's the hero we're selling we're selling that as a hero and they're buying it we're selling people going and complaining about their jobs on Tik Tok and it gets 28 million views oh let me go about my boss because that's cool to do right we're selling writing negative reviews about companies how about creating a glass store and flip it how about we write reviews on you how about we write reviews on employees not the other way around maybe you were a terrible employee and maybe the last four employers agree with with me but nobody knows about it so guess what the fifth company's going to be screwed to hire you and they're going to get somebody that we could have saved that person a lot of time or you would have had to change cuz your score sucks but no we don't want to score employees because no no HR won't let you do it oh no no no no no we need to fully put the accountability on everybody because life is hard so these guys sitting around bitching and complain about it and by the way again remember I remember being 21 and I remember I was also somebody that complained I was somebody that didn't want to you know I understand all that stuff but I chose to change what changed you because 25 is when you turned religious D had a heart attack dad had a heart attack and he was going to die and I went to the UCLA Medical Center and um I saw the nurses were not being quick to my you know getting to my dad and they disrespected my dad and then I disrespected them and cops came and they kicked me out and a lady said the most powerful thing what makes you so entitled to think we have to take care of that quickly you know who pays for your dad's Healthcare the government does taxpayers not you oh oh my God I'll never forget that lady and I just lost it kicked me out I'm downstairs in my car crying like a little baby I'm like your dad's going to die because your lazy ass wants to chase girls and go freaking party six days a week and for the rest of your life you will never say this to anybody but you will hold on to it internally your dad died because the only son he had was a freaking schlep you will eat that you will live with that for the rest of your freaking life you want that man to die keep doing the same you're doing go ahead came to work the next day started working 100 hours a week and then I retired my dad and then it was done and also it helped that one of our relatives disrespected my dad in front of me and and uh I brought him home and I said the world's going to know how amazing of a father you've been and I guarantee going to have to kill me that but they're going to know your last name they're going to kill me if they have to but they're going to know your last name I promise you I was 2425 when I told them that and then I never went to the club it was so bad one of the girls I was dating dropped a gorgeous girl one of the most beautiful girls I've seen in my life second to my wife dropped that gorgeous girl and she's like there's no way he can resist me I said I'm telling you I'm done she says there's no way he can resist me comes to the house in a birthday suit and I'm like dude I'm going straight to the bathroom I I know how to please myself you don't have to worry about this but you got to get out and she's like you going to say no to this not easy but you got to get out and that's when I knew I could control R and I said okay good things are going to happen to you I'll never foret and she knows who she is and she knows the story we're still good friends still today but I um yeah it's it's a when you make real decisions and everybody around you realizes it's real and you realize it's real and you want to make some sacrifices I don't know why but great things happened to you again intentional accidental force a part of the decision I made is because my dad was at UCL Medical Center he didn't die he's still alive but I chose to say I'm changing everything in my life changed good for you that was really empowering why why Christianity specifically you went from denying a thousand Gods to denying 999 why that one well you know listen I mean Christianity for me um when you when you study who Jesus was nobody denies that Jesus existed not Muslims you're the only one that do is Jews right and and Jews don't even deny Jews just say that he's not you know the prophet he's just a you know the guy that came in good man but not the Messiah right okay and he says he was and what are the chances of the guy that is born his mom says I didn't sleep with anybody and my skeptical self on how I am I'm like yeah okay yeah how many women back in the days would say I didn't sleep with anybody and they were in a barn with somebody getting hooked up you know that's probably what she did okay let's say you're right Pat baby's born she's saying I haven't had sex with anybody I don't know what's going on here the baby is born and then that person who you claim that lied that son ends up becoming Jesus what are the odds of all of this crazy stuff happen at the same time kind of weird dog wow this is makes me a little bit uncomfortable right so and then you're like okay uh what are the other religions that I have to choose from I like Buddhism but it's not religion it's a way of life it's a philosophy um I think I would have been a Buddhist because of that's a bringing your temperament down I'm fully about stoicism and what senica did and what you know a lot of these guys Marcus aelius did I'm a big meditations guy I'm a big stoic guy but yeah for me it was a lot of those things that led to my decision of Christianity wow advice final thoughts for any of the viewers uh whether it's wealth creation investing yourself entrepreneurship any final thoughts yeah I'll give you a couple things one uh best benefit you know like if you want to accelerate speed is there's such a big benefit to working under somebody that's a killer that's on a mission that's winning and being able to get in the door of that person closing deals negotiating winning deciding hiring firing chaos nasty situations having to slay some dragons or whatever it's going on because you learn how you go through the shitty situation like you know maybe even there's an enemy and there's like a you know real war going on with another competitor if you're able to work under somebody else and Shadow them it's the fastest way for you to have success and the second thing I'll tell you is if you can get clear on your values and principles and the way you live is as aign to your values and princip as possible you will have the closest chance of living a you know fulfilled peaceful life but anytime I was bitter or miserable or annoying to be around is because the way I was living didn't match my values and principles it was like this so you're not aligned so you kind of feel like you're aligned you're like a con you're okayy I'm I'm lying to people about my values and principles I'm faking it I'm boom okay f ah boom so that alignment concept to me um made me realize I want to be here cuz this decreases additional problems that can create in my life did that alignment help you deal with commentary on social media yeah a lot because I know who I am and I I I never consider myself as a saint or you know guy that does everything right now I'm flawed just right now you didn't see me two hours ago I just lost it two hours ago he was in a room Furious because a person that in QC and they know they they need to QC and this person I said you're so arrogant I said you know how arrogant you are he says why am I arrogant I said because you never ask anybody for help wow you never ask anybody for help because you think you know it all I said I ask the most common question I ask every single flipping day of everybody is what do you think you don't have the audacity to ask anybody what do you think cuz you're that arrogant and full of yourself and because of that you break things you break things and that's a sign of Rel unreliable person that's your problem and you're like a Lone Ranger you don't want to talk to anybody have somebody else kiss you with Just 2 and a half hours when did I come here the reason why I was 30 minutes late is because a debrief me we never do debrief meeting we had a debrief meeting that's why I was 30 minutes late because I was having a meeting with them it was not a a fun conversation to have I was not happy about it but sounds like you were close to firing him well I told him that by the way I you're fired I specifically told him if this happens ever again it's your last day and I love this guy wow I love this guy it's one of my favorite guys but you can't I said in the military you know how many bad soldiers it takes that make one bad decision to for people to die we all would have died if we were in the military we die because you're being selfish it's not cool can't do that can't make a decision like that so again I'm not solving for Perfection I'm solving to be a leader amongst leaders that's my priority in life and as long as I'm going there and you know I'm falling off every once in a while but I'm going in the direction I'm I'm fine this has been I think uh normally I say how do people follow you but I think people know where to follow you anything specific you want to shout out though uh maybe one thing you know we we launched an app U man that cross 150,000 downloads and this is a life changing app and I want to explain to you why this is a life-changing app seven years ago I talked to a lawyer of mine that I had a 7even minute call with he build me for 30 minutes I called him I said why' you build me for 30 minutes we had a 7-minute call I have the phone save screenshot he said well because minutes roll up I said not to 30 minutes bro not to 30 minutes I said what do you charge by the minute that's what I want to start paying for moving forward he says no lower charges by the minute I said one day I'm going to build a platform that people get to pay anybody by the minute so guess what do you have a minute to connect let's man we launched the app man and on man guess what how often do you email somebody or DM them and they never get back to you the idea of dming somebody and being expecting for that person to get back to is an entitled mentality if you value that person's time pay for a response of a DM pay for a phone call why would I pay YouTuber because that guy's got a couple million subscribers and you don't and that's a very valuable time so on man I get to pay you for a text and you get to respond in text or audio I get to pay you for a video and you get to respond to me with a video that pay and text I want do it or I get to pay you to do a 15-minute FaceTime call with you and literally you're up here they're down here time goes down you see it in the middle add another 5 minutes add another 5 minutes whatever price you charge you make 80% man keeps 20% we have users right now man making anywhere between $100 to $5,000 a day using man so uh if people want to find me anywhere you have any questions anything you want to talk to me about you can man me the app is min NN eect you can find it on Android and iOS what's the best price point what do you finding I know it's dependent on the person but where are the magic numbers so right now we're going to have we're about to have four users cross a thousand mans which which happen in it's an interesting thing that's going past a thousand manx but it depends there's guys on there that are private Equity guys managing a billion dollars what is that worth you to have a 50-minute call with them or ask him a question and saying hey I'm a new adviser with Morgan Stanley Dean winter there's guys that I got a few million subscribers of YouTube channel you're stuck at 5,000 what is it worth to get a question back from a Sean canel with 2 million Subs who wrote the book YouTube Secrets what sec going to give you there's guys like a Justin Waller who is like a you know stud of a guy young guy successful financially free you're a young man going through what is that worth you there's guys that have built insurance company sold it for a few hundred million what is that worth you there's a couple billionaires on there that have built an app what is that worth you how about marriage lawyer there's lawyers on there dentists on there doctors on there psychiatrist on there so you get to decide at the beginning one of the best things experts do when they get on they start off with a low rate and then you get to raise it later on because it's good to get a lot of Manx at the beginning so you're ranked higher and then you can kind of bring it up and say well I've done 220 minuts then you raise your price for whatever it is incredible thank you so much thank you really enjoyed it absolutely we'll look forward to it again sometime thank you so much and and I think you know when we post this I'm going to have to have a man link down below fantastic Patrick I want to ask something we have a fun recurring segment on our Channel okay so let me set the stage there's this person last year that appeared in the news a lot named Person of the Year by time magazine Taylor Swift do you have any thoughts about Taylor Swift I know you've had some segments on your shows about her what are your thoughts on Taylor Swift what a freaking brand right imagine building a brand that brings in five six seven billion dollars and Roku pays not Roku peacock pays $110 million to have the Kansas City Chiefs against Miami Dolphin game on peacock that Charles Barkley flips out over 23 million ion people watch this game on peacock why because Taylor Swift is at the game Taylor Swift's changed the game okay what was a podcast that momentarily got ahead of Joe Rogan the Kelsey Brothers podcast why because he's dating Taylor Swift the brand of Taylor Swift is absolutely phenomenal it's a phenomenon to the point where even Harvard right now do you guys know about the Taylor Swift course in Harvard you can take the Taylor Swift course at Harvard it's a class in Harvard it's so popular that there's a waiting period because everybody wants to find out how to build a brand like Taylor Swift love her or hate you know you can hate her love her whatever you feel about her music I don't know her music I know my family listens to her music if you put it I'll know who she is but I don't I couldn't tell you song ofs right now but that that girl what she's done to her life in a brand salute to Taylor Swif
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