저자: Wisemen Traderz · 외국인
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now what i'd like to talk about is what i call the 10 most dangerous things people say about stocks uh here's a good one if it's gone down this much already you can't go any lower uh iron polaroid went from 140 to about 107. people said if you ever get polaroid under 100 you've got to buy it just back up the truck buy the stock tonight uh it's like you get 110 that rally you know fall 103.
you go 112 105 he said gets under 100 bipolar polaroid broke 100 people started buying it and within nine months the stock was 18. uh i saw sending avon products so just saying you you know it's gone down this far you know how much lower i mean it's crazy but you know it can keep going in fact i tried this out kaiser industries i was a new analyst at fidelity and we were about to buy the biggest block ever at kaiser industries the stock had gone from 29 to 17.
we're about to buy the largest block ever in the history of america's exchange we bought i know 10 or 15 million shares at 50 and three quarters they said my god the stock's gone from 29 to 17 how much lower can it go so we bought this enormous block at 15 and three quarters so i called my mother and i said mom i guess psycho kaiser says it's 10.
so about three months later said you got to buy this it's gone from 29 to 10. how much lower can it go well it went to nine it went to eight it went to seven it went to six it went to five it went to four now fortunately this happened very rapidly or i'd be working at the stop and shop bag and behind the lines instead of fidelity so fortunately this was compressed in only about six months so i had to go the fundamentals say i was a little bit early on this at fifteen and three quarters uh but it uh we call this premature in the business the uh had a correction which you know is a euphemism for losing a lot of money rapidly at the uh so i said let's check this again the stocks for they own 45 of kaiser aluminum they own 59 of kaiser steel they own 38 percent of kai cement they own all of kaiser electronics all the kaiser broadcasting which had seven tv sets they own jeep the kaiser fiberglass said about kaiser santa gravel a bunch of other kaisers and they had no debt now in this room because i know freeman billings is very interested in financial stocks no one's ever gone bankrupt without any debt now that would take a real i think you have to get some kind of distinguished service award does somebody do that yeah but they had no debt i said it's not going to go to zero you know i was wrong when i said it can't go below 15.
so we hung on and within three years they gave out the shares and kind of still gave out the shares in kaiser's men gave out the shares and kaiser steel and aluminum and they sold off all the businesses you got 55 a share but if you didn't know the story and the stock went from 15 to 11 and you're just saying how much low can it go when it went to 91.8 you'd you would have gone so you can't just say you can't go any lower because i saw taco bell go from 14 to 1 in 1974 and they had no debt and making 60 cents a share uh there's a corollary to that that's even more dangerous if it's gone this high already how can it possibly go lower uh higher sorry that philip morris adjusted for splits uh sold for 12 cents in 1951.
and then it goes to 60 cents in 1961. so it goes up fivefold and you say yourself how much this never sold for that but just for splits to say how much higher can this go it's got a five-fold they missed the power of marlboro they missed the there's 220 countries in the world they missed the cash flow of the company they missed everything this stock was a hundred bagger after going up five fold but people sold it just saying how much higher can it go you can't go any hard they did the same at home depot they did the same with toys r us i did the same thing toys r us just saying it can't go any higher it's gone this much already that's very dangerous and don't don't use that one and uh i it's a very bad thing to do eventually they always come back here's another one that sucks uh that's a technical stock market term we just use only in the stock market the uh rca just about get back to its 1929 price was backed out by g uh manville never came back international harvester even with its name changed and adjusted for splits doesn't get all the way back yet western union double knits remember those wonderful things floppy discs they don't have to come back but they say eventually they always come back not true here's a great one it's three dollars how much can i lose this is a great one you see i get get out this is i don't have a computer and i can't do high-level math but uh just do this once let's say you buy your neighbor buys ten thousand dollars of a stock at 50 and the stock's now three and you put twenty-five thousand dollars in at three if it goes to zero who loses the most a lot of people cannot answer this question you know the uh i mean if you put a billion in at three you can lose a billion you know i mean they blow taps in lots of companies every year you know you just have they can go to zero uh the uh here's a good one that helped me a lot it's always darkest before the dawn uh the uh this business is terrible it's awful you ought to buy the group this is not a good way of making money at the the uh here's one you're probably talking about before lunch uh freight car deliveries uh 1979 there was 96 000 freight cars deliver united states two years later it fell to 45 000 the lowest in 23 years it goes from 96 000 to 45 000.
people say business is awful it's horrible pathetic then it falls to 25 000 they say just load up there's about 15 opportunities to lose money there's about 15 suppliers of freight cars 15 manufacturers business was awful but last year we shipped 7 000 freight cars the united states the business just continued to be miserable and uh i'll give you one that's even there's even greater opportunity to lose money on uh energy services industry this we all had a great opportunity to get our heads handed to us uh in 1982 there was eleven thousand of those oil rigs drilling left you know drilling those holes all over oklahoma and texas and colorado we used to have the recount every week and the recount fell from 11 000 in 82 to 6083 then fall a little bit lower than 84.
there's hundreds and hundreds of companies here companies have made the muds and did the down hole stuff the fracturing companies the the well companies all the measuring companies the championships the big companies lots of opportunities lose money here there's equal opportunity opportunity here for serious losses and people said listen this is terrible let's buy this group well the recount was only a thousand three years ago so it went from 11 000 to 6 000 5000 then eight years later was under a thousand the industry really started to turn about two years ago so just saying the business can't get worse i i was lucky enough in addition to the medals industry in star finale i had the textile industry which is a great group to follow because you follow companies like jp stevens was founded in the 18th century and uh west point pep roll was found in the 18th century burlington is one of the new companies was founded in 1904 these people have been through recessions depressions were wars they've seen it all there's a great expression texas industry it's always darkest before pitch black yeah now that's a good one to remember because this is terrible it can get considerably terrible you're terrible to the power of six and uh it uh i love those numbers that fake card to lose you ever watch i love the show jeopardy i watch jeopardy and people come out they will know those numbers they'll know the numbers and they'll know you know what uh what country uh box uh took his first vacation in and they'll know phil rizzuto's batting average and what his wife's first name was they'll know the stock symbols of xerox before was haloid or you know they know everything and you watch the show you feel like an absolute idiot watching the show because they answer all these questions but they're really smart i almost i've owned this stock before king world right after they show wheel of fortune and they what happens is they'll have this word up there will be th and there's a t and it says that buy a bottle fish i'll buy a u you know to buy an eye and you know they vanna spins the wheel and they buy the a and you know you you're redeemed by watching the wheel of fortune have to feel like an absolute jerk on the jeopardy game and uh it's really smart it uh uh when i rebound to 10 i'll sell uh here's a great rule somebody buys a stock at 10 and it falls to six they say if it gets back to 10 i'll sell now i think the math four and six i can handle this love math i think that's about a 66 return you got to buy if you think it's going back to 10-yard buy the hell out of the damn thing but they think if it gets back to 10 i'll sell now what you ought to do is never put down a round number these i think for the next 26 years the start goes between five and nine and a quarter it'll never get to ten so maybe put nine eight or eight three quarters but just saying the stock if it gets back what i paid for it is a very important rule this is a very it's one of the key rules the stock doesn't know you own it remember that you could be a miserable person you could have uh you know never helped anybody never done anything right had 67 spouses never done anything right have you owned coca-cola last 50 years it's gone up 300 fold you could be the greatest human in the world help special olympics help the mentally challenged help poor people help aids people if you own bethlehem steel it's lower than it was 30 years ago it's not your fault don't take this personal you know but people treat stocks sometimes like a grandchildren or a puppy they think they think the stock knows who you are you know it's you know it doesn't work that way it uh uh let me worry i own conservative stocks uh i don't have to worry i own conservative stocks irman con ed fell uh 80 then tripled uh public service indiana went down 90 gulf states utilities long on lighting this may be oxymoron with quality texas banks that went to zero we had uh quality new england banks that went to zero uh these are companies have been around for 150 years 120 years saying i own conservative stocks i don't have to worry i've seen a lot of people don't inherit a stock from somebody they'll say you know my mother said on her deathbed don't sell the long island lighting you know you always wondered you know is it she's going to heaven or hopefully where she's going heaven you know they talk about a lily game or vacation or game of hearts they had or imagine talking on your deathbed about long island lighting and so you know but you get these stories all the time and i think your mother would have noticed she would have sold at 29 but she went she would have noticed that this whole plant that was about 6 billion over budget no one wanted it and wasn't working and uh long island stopped growing so maybe she would have turfed at 22 or got up at 18.
she wouldn't let it go to four you know so just because you inherit some stock and so-called conservative like eastman kodak fell 75 ibm fell 75 don't tell anybody you own a conservative stock companies are very dynamic i don't buy that argument um here's a very dangerous one look at all the money i've lost i didn't buy it it uh people do this all the time they say i didn't own blockbuster i didn't own home depot i know toys r us i uh eric it was very nice to say some nice things about when i came up here and manny it's been nice to meet you one of my books listed on two pages in the 13 years of ramagellan i listed uh i think about 200 stocks a through l on the new york stock exchange they went up 10 fold or more that i didn't own well i ran magellan i had on lots of stocks i listed 200 stocks a foreign i stopped the letter l and i didn't know any of these shares they went up tenfold or more and i was able to do okay with magellan and people worry all the time about missing microsoft missing western digital missing united airlines they spend all their time worry about stocks they miss you cannot lose money in a stock you don't own that's a variable you have the only way to lose money is buy stock have it go down and sell it that's the only way and i swear that people that their spouse has to cut out the newspaper in the morning cut out the seas and the person will look at the ams oh my god microsoft's up up three you know i had i was gonna buy a thousand shares on microsoft i lost three thousand microsoft last night while i was sleeping you know the uh you know i was gonna buy seven thousand shares of national semiconductor at ten it's now seventeen i just lost forty nine thousand dollars on national semiconductor they do this all the time they have to cut holes the block thank god blockbuster finally went away because that was early in the alphabet people would always be looking how much they lost the blockbuster uh i missed that one i'll catch the next one that usually does not work toys r us there was a lot of copycats of toys r us it was trial world there was lionel there's copycats from home depot buying the next of something usually doesn't work it's uh it's very bad it's like buying on dips i think it's always better to buy from dips i was that was a better rule than bioentex you may have to explain this to some other people uh just another technical term they have to explain after hours where the dip is that that usually referred to as plurals dips i've never heard dip you know he's a dip because she's a different usually only the plural tense for it's a and it's a gender non-specific it's usually plural is never used uh stock has gone up i must be right stock has gone down it must be wrong i'm convinced that people do this all the time they buy stock at 10 they buy a little bit of it it goes to 13 that they now say they don't know anything more about it than they knew when they were 10.
they have no idea what this company does let's go on 13 now they take a second merge in the house and buy the 13. the best thing could happen for us to stack up directly from 10 to 4 for these folks you know it's gonna go to four eventually but it goes to 13 in the middle they're convinced now they bought a hundred shares of ten not only by twenty thousand and thirteen and uh all the fact is the stock went from ten to thirteen is it went up the average movement of a stock in the near side exchange this century between its highest low has been 50 percent the average stock in your sanctions that means the stock started the year 20 sometime during the year sold 16 sometimes during the year sold at 24 my defensive year 21 might officiate 19.
the average range of a stock in the stock change is 50 in 12 months between high and slow so stocks go up and down a lot within a year and say this stock is going up means you're right doesn't mean a damn thing so don't buy off in a mountain that uh that is not a good one the avoid long shots these are the companies that uh we have this very technical term for this uh called whisper stocks the uh everybody whispers knocks their uh they're great they call you up and they'll say hi pierre caroline's how's beth doing danny i was married maybe play any golf and then i'll say i want to talk to you about international blivet and the next they'll get a shorter term in those places where they they have nordic tracks and they put them away and they don't they don't have to make big rocks into small rocks they just watch movies and they have nordic tracks but they won't they will not catch these people if they whisper in the phone and these are always these long shots you know these are stocks that are going to uh grow hair and uh make your kid have better spelling and your breasts can improve and you won't have to iron your pants you know it's one of those stocks they always do everything for you but they're missing they don't have any sales yet you know that's the missing element of the story the story is sensational there's no prophecy no sales yet but my god if this works if this works it's going to be the next xerox you know and uh and it's going to help murder in space and everything it's a very very good deal now this is not a long shot this is a no shot you have to separate these out i've tried 30 of these i have never broken even on a long shot never i've made 25 30 times my money on some stocks i never thought about sallie mae or mbia or fannie mae or some of the banks or stopping shop i made 20 tons of money 30 times money i had no idea i thought the stocks are going north i had no idea you look back 10 years later you say my god i made a lot of money in this thing but once i went into thinking i can make four times my money i've never broken even so don't do the long shot guys they don't work the uh they simply don't work and again if a stock's three and it has huge potential write down the story take the stock symbol if it's going to 300 it's okay to buy it at 15.
check in later check it a year later see if it's still listed so you can still get a quote on it see if they slow the earnings yet but if it's going write the story down some of these work i haven't heard yet but maybe they will work but it's worth tuning in six months later
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